MICROSOFT results Q4 and Full Year earnings. Huge.

[DonFerrari]

Azzanation said:

DonFerrari said:

MS doesn't disclose Gold subs anymore, they talk about the whole number of active subs. So where are you getting their gold? From the numbers we have the most you can be accertain is that PS+ subs is about equal total XBL (Gold+Silver+PC users+Minecraft on Switch). Also you claimed that selling HW doesn't secure subs. I provided you that yes it doesn't secure, but when MP was under the PS+ then we have had at least 1PSN account per PS4 sold and almost 1 PSN+ account for each 2 PS4 sold from release of PS4 until now. So there is a very strong relation between selling the HW and getting subs.

Sure Destructoid may be assumptions, so is yours. MS never disclosed the profit of Xbox alone, you claim they have made a lot of profit, where is your source?

Blizzard may do whatever they want, we aren't discussing them. You are claiming X360 made a lot of money, that X1 is making a lot of money, but you have no source. You say that subs is more important than HW and that selling HW doesn't bring money or subs (got disproven) but can't provide any evidence.

Don you are not understanding what is being said. Let me ask you afew questions and please answer them so i get a better understanding on your point.

1) Gold has been around for more than a decade, so where does all the Sub money go from all those Paid Gold members?

2) Why doesnt Blizzard announce how much they earn from there Subs?

3) Why is it okay for Blizzard not to disclose Sub profits but for MS they have to?

4) How was the 360 more profitable than the PS3 considering it sold less HW units?

5) Do you think Xbox is better off selling 100m Units and only having 10m Subs or them selling 50m Units and having 30m Subs?

I mean its not rocket science to work out the fortune Xbox is making behind the scenes

https://www.forbes.com/sites/velocity/2010/06/17/microsofts-xbox-live-is-making-boatloads-on-virtual-goods/#3f02a7442720

Forbes back in 2010, estimated Live was generating $1.25 billion annually, thats a good lump sum of cash yearly if you ask me.

Just because a company doesnt announce it, doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Like most big money making brands they dont announce there Sub profits. Both Blizzard one of the wealthiest gaming companies in the world and MS one of the wealthiest corporations in the world choose to hide these figures.

Yes 360 and PS3 lost money on the HW, but 360 managed to make that back in other ways hence my entire point of HW isnt as important as you make it out to be. Again more HW sold does help but gaining a higher percentage from subs from current owners is just as important.

MS is not a company to keep a brand around for many years that is leaking billions. There is a reason why they keep Xbox around and i think its pretty obvious.

1) Goes in the department, we don't know how much profit was made since we don't know the costs. Also we don't know how much of the subs revenue was eaten by other costs on the department (even if subsiding the HW that is what is needed to sell the subs, that is basically cost of making business)

2) I don't know, do you? But they release the P&L of the company right? How many major departments are there? And what does it have to do with this discussion?

3) Who said it is ok? It is just out of topic, or do you want to enumerate every company that do or don't?

4) Please provide source X360 was more profitable. Because we do have the numbers for Playstation department and even if not having exact numbers for profit or loss of PS3 we can get a good enough estimative, compared to Xbox never disclosed numbers.

5) Pointless question since you were already proved that the subs are related to the HW sold. But please provide how many of the 30M XBL subs are gold.

Your points are all your own assumptions without any evidence used to defend MS not releasing their numbers and them you use the lack of numbers to affirm it is good. Funny enough Ludicrous Speed have no issue with that.

The funny thing is you keep asking questions and demanding sources, but fail to answer. Is that a tactic to deviate?