MICROSOFT results Q4 and Full Year earnings. Huge.

[DonFerrari]

Azzanation said:

DonFerrari said:

Do you need a source to prove 45/80 (which is the complement of 35/80)? 45/80 would be the number of people that doesn't have PSN+ (but guess what at least 80M PSN accounts exist, and Sony MAU is higher than MS). So it is like this 45/80 or 56% doesn't have PS+ which is closer to 50% (1/2) than to 66% (2/3) but you choose 2/3 for what reason?

But to help you out https://segmentnext.com/2018/05/22/sony-ir-psn-ps-plus/ so PS4 MAU is 80M or about the number of PS4 sold. Which is more than double the MAU of MS, also more than double subs of XBL. With PS+ (paid) about equal to total XBL (including silver).

Many perhaps would (many more would say the opposite). On HW and SW it was a success, in bringing money it was a failure, but at least kept Sony in the fight for PS4.

MS have never disclosed their profit for Xbox at all (but you are claiming it is making money, so you should provide source instead of asking). We have had during X360 disclosure of HW sold and also the number of gold members. Both stopped being shown this gen when they were to much behind so now they give total number of Live accounts (that  for some crazy reason you compare PSN+ to Total Live accounts instead of Gold).

So please give us the showing that Xbox by itself ever profited.

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-11-07-huge-xbox-losses-hidden-by-patent-royalties-says-analyst

https://www.destructoid.com/analyst-microsoft-losing-2-billion-on-xbox-annually-265273.phtml (so X360 gen took 7 years... that would make 14 Billion in loses, almost 3 times as much as the one reported for Sony)

From how you posted it, it sounded like you were saying there were 45m PS+ members. And you also forgot i said almost 2 thirds, i never said it was 2 thirds.

Having accounts is easy since every XB and PS4 require an account to use the system. Its all about turning those accounts into paid members. Well for MS anyway hence the heavy focus on there inline features and games.

PS3 was the worst profitable console in History not the 360. Do the maths, $60 x 20m Gold accounts x 7 years. Now there just low rough figures. The 360 at some point had over 40m Gold accounts. Now add those profits from Live into your Destructiod link which is just an assumption not actual fact and remember the 360 also sold more software than the PS3 aswell. Strange how hardware means everything to you yet the console that technically sold the least last gen actually sold more SW and made more money. Point proven.

Also you dont need them to disclose there making money on a department to actually think there not. MS never claimes how much money they make from there Subs. Sneaky little MS. Where does all that Sub money go? 

Isnt it funny that one of the greatest and wealthiest video game companies around in Blizzard also dont tell us how much they make from there subscriptions? They leave it all up to us to estimate. 

You then need to learn how to read. You said 35M PS+ subs on 80M and that meant 2/3 of the userbase didn't had subs (two false claims in one), so I showed that the 45M that wouldn't have is closer to 1/2 than to 2/3. 56% is almost 2/3 or almost 1/2?

MS doesn't disclose Gold subs anymore, they talk about the whole number of active subs. So where are you getting their gold? From the numbers we have the most you can be accertain is that PS+ subs is about equal total XBL (Gold+Silver+PC users+Minecraft on Switch). Also you claimed that selling HW doesn't secure subs. I provided you that yes it doesn't secure, but when MP was under the PS+ then we have had at least 1PSN account per PS4 sold and almost 1 PSN+ account for each 2 PS4 sold from release of PS4 until now. So there is a very strong relation between selling the HW and getting subs.

Sure Destructoid may be assumptions, so is yours. MS never disclosed the profit of Xbox alone, you claim they have made a lot of profit, where is your source?

Blizzard may do whatever they want, we aren't discussing them. You are claiming X360 made a lot of money, that X1 is making a lot of money, but you have no source. You say that subs is more important than HW and that selling HW doesn't bring money or subs (got disproven) but can't provide any evidence.

LudicrousSpeed said:

DonFerrari said:

https://www.destructoid.com/analyst-microsoft-losing-2-billion-on-xbox-annually-265273.phtml (so X360 gen took 7 years... that would make 14 Billion in loses, almost 3 times as much as the one reported for Sony)

No offense, but do you really believe this? I shouldn't even be asking that, because literally right there where I just quoted you, you're speaking about it factually.

This was debunked in numerous places, including GAF, and this was back in 2013 when GAF was a complete Playstation hive mind. Earlier you made a big stink about some cuckoo Xbots believing crazy stuff like Xbone and PS4 actually being very close in sales. Well, believing Microsoft was losing 2 BILLION per year on Xbox is just as insane. Remember, this is the same analyst who just months earlier claimed Xbox as a business was doing very well, and had also multiple times championed the idea that MS should sell off the division. He predicted it multiple times, was wrong, and also predicted multiple Ballmer replacements, wrong on all of them. So because he predicts some percentage of a loss in the E&D division is attributed to Xbox, doesn't make it factual.

Especially when all logic and evidence points to that idea being complete nonsense. Kind of like.. idk, believing PS4 and Xbone are neck and neck in WW sales.

I have talked about it factually? I have provided the link and said that if X360 was losing 2B per year than that would be 14B in 7 years which would be 3x what his source claimed for PS3 loss. But I didn't see you challenging the source for PS3 nor the fact that MS doesn't disclose profit for Xbox alone but he claims makes a lot of money to the point the HW sales are irrelevant.

Will you also ask for sources and evidences of Azzanation? Will you dispute the evidence that Xbox profit or loss can't be determined because the department always had other products with very big numbers mixed, so claiming Xbox made big profits or loses can't be proven?