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CosmicSex on 18 July 2018
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Aeolus451 said:
CosmicSex said:

Your profile says you are American.  Even the GOP believes in defending America. So its really hard to believe that you aren't American.  The latest indictment on Friday also explained that 500,000 voter info accounts were stolen from one state alone.  They explained that the companies who provided software to state election boards and voting machines was breached by Russians as well.  Yesterday it was reported that one company that provides machines for voting had REMOTE ACCESS software installed on the ballot counting machines and lied about its existence.  It was reported that at least 21 states had their election sites penetrated by Russians.  

So when you say this is just dems making something up to get Trump, I just can't believe that you are even American.  If I am wrong that is even more alarming.  Outside of Trump, liberals and all of that, what would it take for you to stand up for America?  I am not attacking you support of Trump.  I am questioning why the entirety of the US intelligence community in your mind doesn't compare to Trumps words?  It is irrational. 

We should be able to support who we want and think objectively at the same time.  I mean your opinion is yours and you have a right to that.  But you can't have an alternative opinion on actual hard facts without becoming a liar. 

Again, to what extent do we defend as you put it? Are you suggesting we go to war over it? That's crazy. Do you have sources that's credible on those?

 I said that dems are using the russians' attempt to hack/influence our politics to discredit Trump. If Hillary won and the same info came, the liberal media would be quiet about it.

I didn't mention the intelligence agencies at all.

Okay so the reason everyone is snapping is because he said in front of Putin that the information that his OWN DNI Dan Coats said is up for debate.  He said, "I asked Putin and he said no." as if that overrides the DHS, CIA, FBI and all other members of the intelligence community.  Defending us in this case means not demeaning us in front of the Russia and the whole world.  If something like this happened to Hillary (it did in the reverse actually) we would hope that she can at least get on the same side as the very men and women dedicated to protecting this country.  What Russia did is threaten our right to our own representation.   If we lose that we are in trouble. Even though this is the natural conclusion of hacking election boards, people are not really talking about it and I know why.  The American public, people on both sides would ask 'what the hell are we even voting for if people can hack state election boards?'  It creates a crisis on it very own. 

The comment about the agencies was in response to your claim that no harm was done. 

BTW, Trump just now is saying that he 'accepts the findings of the intelligence community' so at least he did that.  Earlier this week when asked if he holds them responsible, he said he holds both countries responsible.  That is something else that got people very upset.  The responsibility is all Russia's unless he is insisting that Americans were also involved in the hacking which would make this far worse.