President Trump Sides With Russia Against the United States.

[dharh]

DarthMetalliCube said:

I still don't get this.. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this meddling nonsense essentially just boils down to some Facebook ads and Wiki leaks emails, right? In another words, just getting information out there and exposing corruption that ALREADY exists, right? Please tell me you don't REALLY think these guys evaded all our safeguards, the FBI, CIA, homeland security, everything (especially in our overly-paronoid post 9/11 era of heightened security, surveillance, and the Patriot Act) and somehow picked out all of our battleground states and hacked the voting machines? What about all the hand-written votes, which still happens on a pretty large scale here from what I understand? And nobody whatsoever knew about this, there wasn't a word of this until AFTER the election. Hmmm.. I promise you if HRC won the election you wouldn't have heard a word of this stuff..

The goddamn Russians don't control people's minds, guys. People came to their own conclusions based on the information available. They had real concerns for their country and where we were headed, and they took a good look at what the corporate shill and warmonger HRC had to offer, and said "no thanks." That's it. Of course, we could had some real hope for positive change on the Left and in this country with Bernie, but nope, (you know, the guy would was *actually* colluded against?) and now here we are with Trump. Thanks Democrats! This naive bubble the modern left is living in is part of the reason so many are leaving in droves with the Walkaway stuff..

The big bad Russians had NOTHING to do with me voting against the DNC in 2016. The DNC and their corrupt ways did. And believe me, I'm not alone based off of many others I've heard from. I can't believe how people can't see how obviously this is nothing more than a scapegoating ploy from the Democrats who obviously were made to look foolish because they were "supposed to" win this election. It's all propaganda, people. But hey, if the Russian meddling thing helps you sleep at night (God knows why it would?) be my guest.

The fact that you call this "some Facebook ads and Wiki leaks emails" shows your naivete.  This wasn't some half ass initiative to 'push our buttons'.  This was a concerted effort to sow division.  Despite what others think, I believe this wasn't necessarily an effort to get Trump elected, but an effort to divide us as much as possible.  Perhaps divide us as much as we have ever been since the civil war.  People who have been friends for decades, families, are cutting ties over this shit.

Safeguards?  What safeguards.  IT security in America, in the World, is a disgrace.  It is in utter shambles.  We can protect our election machines, we can protect against propaganda?  What a farce.  Our banks have been hacked.  Our supposed computer security virus companies have been hacked.  Our government have been hacked.  Tell me why tf you have any faith in these supposed "safeguards", while Trump himself basically calls these institutions anti-american corrupt failures.

I HATED the fact that Hillary was the nominee against Trump.  I HATE dynasties.  For the first time in my adult life I almost didn't vote.  But I saw Trump for what he was, a snake oil salesman, and felt I had no choice but to vote against such an anti-american destructive person.

Information false or true CAN and DOES change peoples opinions.  Again the fact that you think that propaganda cannot change american minds into voting contrary to what they would do if they knew the whole truth makes me think you are naive.

Also, funnily enough, a friend of mine who is a staunch Trump believer, lest you believe I am one of those people that don't allow apposing views or dump friends just because they believe different than me, thinks that voting for Trump was voting for war.  War against Islam _and_ North Korea.  He still believes this despite Trump being so amenable to North Korea and Trump being essentially nothing more than isolationist when it comes to Muslim countries.

The Big bad Russians pushing the narrative that the DNC is completely corrupt, and that the RNC is _not_ is perhaps indeed a reason why you voted for Trump.  Or perhaps not, one person is not a valid way to test how much a failure or success an initiative a push by Russians to manipulate our 2016 election was.

The fact is they _TRIED_ to manipulate our election.  Whether they succeeded or failed is not the damned point.  They cannot be allowed to  do this with immunity and they certainly cannot be allowed to this again without us trying to stop them.

If it helps you sleep at night to deny Russia tried to mess with our election.  Well, you are probably a lost cause.

Last edited by dharh - on 17 July 2018