Supreme Court Upholds Trump's Travel Ban on Mostly Muslim Countries

[Jon-Erich]

CaptainExplosion said:

Hyper_Upgrade said:

I understand that you abhor him with all your being and you've made your point clear in other posts as well. 

My question is what do you hope to gain by going there? It is a lazy argument that lacks historical context, it will not convince someone who voted for Trump that they made a mistake by demonizing him, and it belittles the seriousness of the actual conversation this OP is trying to have. Immigration has more nuance than the racists vs open borders fringes. 

I don't care if you hate Trump or me for voting for him, but you are doing a disservice to your own cause. Argue the merits (or lack of) of his ideas. Not the man himself lest you fall under his trap. Trump specifically and intentionally says outrageous things to get an overreaction from the other side. 

 

I'm not looking to gain anything from it, I'm just saying it because of the disturbing similarities between Trump and Hitler. He's even stealing people's children and locking them up in what amount to concentration camps, all while letting his fellow rich scumbags profit off the suffering of the occupants.

Besides, demonizing Trump isn't very hard anymore, since he's repeatedly shown how much like Hitler he actually is. Not to mention how his "presidency" is making a mockery of values the American people hold dear. It's no coincidence that America's most notable problems (gun violence, racial tensions and foreign relations issues) have worsened under Trump.

I have a question. How much research have you done on Hitler? I mean actual research, not Watchmojo videos or high school history class. I say this because as long as I have been alive, every American President dating back to Reagan has been called Hitler by their detractors. Most people who say this know very little about Hitler or Nazi Germany. If you really did actual research, you would come to find that your modern social justice warriors, especially those involved in academia have far more in common with Hitler and the Nazis than any American President ever has. 

For research purposes, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany by William L. Shirer is a good start. It was published in 1960 and was based on captured Nazi documents, the diaries of propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels, General Franz Halder, and of the Italian Foreign Minister Galeazzo Ciano, evidence and testimony from the Nuremberg trials, and British Foreign Office reports. The book also relies on the author's own recollection from his time reporting on Nazi Germany for newspaper publications. It is a long read though. The audiobook version is over 57 hours long. Mein Kampf is also worth reading just to get an idea of what Hitler was about, though despite his skills as a speaker, Hitler was not a particularly good writer. 

As for America's own issues, gun violence actually peaked in the 1990s. Gun violence in America is actually at a 20 year low. Racial tensions are no worse than they were under Obama, though arguably worse than they were under Bush. The foreign relations issue is a result of the changing geopolitical climate around the world. We went through a major shift after World War II and another one after the Cold War. That's what we're seeing now. It would have happened with or without Trump. Right now, the United States is making friends in Asia while not being so reliant on a European alliance anymore. It was going to happen. It just works out better for Trump since he's better at Asian diplomacy than Western-style diplomacy.