| o_O.Q said: " I've always said that transgender women aren't biological women but biology is not the end of all things. for transexual people it appears to be quite important since they are attempting to transition from one sex to another... often going as far as using surgery and drugs to do so what you are not acknowledging is that if biology wasn't an issue then there would be no transexuals... their problem is directly rooted in biology
"How we behave in public and how we engage with other people isn't determined by biological rules or our DNA, it's based on culture and society." why do you assume (incorrectly) that culture and society are not influence to a great extent by expressions of our biology? earlier you drew attention to the fact that its a societal rule that men do not go into direct physical confrontation with women... why? because due to biology men are stronger than women and as a result we formed cultural rules as a result of biological differences culture and biology are very very tightly linked and obviously that's because we are biological organisms... how could the differences and limitations that we have as a result not be expressed in our culture?
"If you think being a transgender is ideologically motivated" i didn't specify what i believed to be ideologically motivated... it was actually the ever expanding list of pronouns that are being formed and the demands that they be taken seriously in communication
"your counterquestion is also pretty foul." its actually not it cuts right to the heart of the problem "first of all king is a social standing, gender isn't a social standing at all." irrelevant... if i choose that as my identity then its my identity right?
"secound, transgender people struggle their whole life with there body" that's unfortunate, but everyone has their own personal struggles, i have mine and you have yours
"someone mentioned before that the suicide rate is a lot higher amongst them, so if using female pronouns helps transgender women I will use them. That's what I call respect." that's not at all surprising given their situation and its your right to do so
"Categories don't exist without context, so please provide context, I gave you a few examples. Transgender people maybe also exceptions from your two categories or we need a new category for them. " the context is that psychologically transgender people say they are the opposite sex so their aim is to change their physical state to match... this explicitly means that a fundamental aspect of this is the acceptance of male and female and that they are different enough to warrant a transition between them because otherwise... what would be the point? |
I take a few steps back to the beginning of our conversation and answer your first question in a different way. Maybe then you can understand my standpoint.
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o_O.Q said: why is it ok to throw out the biological basis for sex in one instance but not another? |
Humanity has arrived at a point where, with the help of modern medicine, it can transcend the boundaries of the natural sexes.A complete sex transformation is not possible yet but certain sexual characteristics can definitely be changed.
So it's no longer either male or female but a scale with male and female on the opposite ends.
The position of a person on this "gender scale" influences how I handle this person.
