"Incel" terrorism

[o_O.Q]

MrWayne said:

o_O.Q said:

"I think the option for transgender women to participating in a women's sports league threatens biological women's opportunity to have a fair competition"

but i'm not getting this reasoning... aren't you ignoring biology when it comes to accepting a biological male identifying as a woman to begin with?

don't you see that you can't deny biology to accept their identity while at the same time deny their identity to accept biology? its inherently contradictory

I'm not denying biology, I've always said that transgender women aren't biological women but biology is not the end of all things.
Your identity isn't solely determined by biology, if that would be the case twins would have the same identity.
How we behave in public and how we engage with other people isn't determined by biological rules or our DNA, it's based on culture and society.

o_O.Q said:

"Your answer is rather vague. What do you mean with respect?"

the same level of respect i do with other people but that includes establishing boundaries against what i consider to be ridiculous ideologically motivated requests

 

"What pronoun do you use when talking about a transgender person?"

here's a question for you... if i stated that i identify as king and that my pronouns are rex and king, would you really go along with that? 

If you think being a transgender is ideologically motivated you should look up the meaning of the word ideology again. transgender people never chooses how they feel about their body.

your counterquestion is also pretty foul. first of all king is a social standing, gender isn't a social standing at all. secound, transgender people struggle their whole life with there body, someone mentioned before that the suicide rate is a lot higher amongst them, so if using female pronouns helps transgender women I will use them. That's what I call respect.

o_O.Q said:

"And what are those stakes you are talking about? do you think we will throw away our knowledge about the female body or women rights?"

didn't you mention one earlier when you raised your concern about transgender women competing against biological women? 

 

"Btw some people are born neither male nor female"

and some people are born with 8 limbs... do they stop being human as a result? or do we acknowledge that there are outliers in the process of reproduction and still retain the category that humans 99.9999999% of the time will exhibit characteristics such as having 4 limbs?

categories are a generalised grouping, they are not perfect and are susceptible to exceptions

yeah, I raised that concern but we don't have to go the full way, It's doesn't have to be either 0% or 100%, we can also choose 85%.

Categories don't exist without context, so please provide context, I gave you a few examples.

Transgender people maybe also exceptions from your two categories or we need a new category for them.  

 

" I've always said that transgender women aren't biological women but biology is not the end of all things.
Your identity isn't solely determined by biology"

for transexual people it appears to be quite important since they are attempting to transition from one sex to another... often going as far as using surgery and drugs to do so

what you are not acknowledging is that if biology wasn't an issue then there would be no transexuals... their problem is directly rooted in biology

 

"How we behave in public and how we engage with other people isn't determined by biological rules or our DNA, it's based on culture and society."

why do you assume (incorrectly) that culture and society are not influence to a great extent by expressions of our biology?

earlier you drew attention to the fact that its a societal rule that men do not go into direct physical confrontation with women... why? because due to biology men are stronger than women and as a result we formed cultural rules as a result of biological differences

culture and biology are very very tightly linked and obviously that's because we are biological organisms... how could the differences and limitations that we have as a result not be expressed in our culture?

 

"If you think being a transgender is ideologically motivated"

i didn't specify what i believed to be ideologically motivated... it was actually the ever expanding list of pronouns that are being formed and the demands that they be taken seriously in communication

 

"your counterquestion is also pretty foul."

its actually not it cuts right to the heart of the problem

"first of all king is a social standing, gender isn't a social standing at all."

irrelevant... if i choose that as my identity then its my identity right? 

 

"secound, transgender people struggle their whole life with there body"

that's unfortunate, but everyone has their own personal struggles, i have mine and you have yours

 

"someone mentioned before that the suicide rate is a lot higher amongst them, so if using female pronouns helps transgender women I will use them. That's what I call respect."

that's not at all surprising given their situation and its your right to do so

 

"Categories don't exist without context, so please provide context, I gave you a few examples.

Transgender people maybe also exceptions from your two categories or we need a new category for them.  "

the context is that psychologically transgender people say they are the opposite sex so their aim is to change their physical state to match... this explicitly means that a fundamental aspect of this is the acceptance of male and female and that they are different enough to warrant a transition between them

because otherwise... what would be the point?