| o_O.Q said: "I think the option for transgender women to participating in a women's sports league threatens biological women's opportunity to have a fair competition" but i'm not getting this reasoning... aren't you ignoring biology when it comes to accepting a biological male identifying as a woman to begin with? don't you see that you can't deny biology to accept their identity while at the same time deny their identity to accept biology? its inherently contradictory |
I'm not denying biology, I've always said that transgender women aren't biological women but biology is not the end of all things.
Your identity isn't solely determined by biology, if that would be the case twins would have the same identity.
How we behave in public and how we engage with other people isn't determined by biological rules or our DNA, it's based on culture and society.
| o_O.Q said: "Your answer is rather vague. What do you mean with respect?" the same level of respect i do with other people but that includes establishing boundaries against what i consider to be ridiculous ideologically motivated requests
"What pronoun do you use when talking about a transgender person?" here's a question for you... if i stated that i identify as king and that my pronouns are rex and king, would you really go along with that? |
If you think being a transgender is ideologically motivated you should look up the meaning of the word ideology again. transgender people never chooses how they feel about their body.
your counterquestion is also pretty foul. first of all king is a social standing, gender isn't a social standing at all. secound, transgender people struggle their whole life with there body, someone mentioned before that the suicide rate is a lot higher amongst them, so if using female pronouns helps transgender women I will use them. That's what I call respect.
| o_O.Q said: "And what are those stakes you are talking about? do you think we will throw away our knowledge about the female body or women rights?" didn't you mention one earlier when you raised your concern about transgender women competing against biological women?
"Btw some people are born neither male nor female" and some people are born with 8 limbs... do they stop being human as a result? or do we acknowledge that there are outliers in the process of reproduction and still retain the category that humans 99.9999999% of the time will exhibit characteristics such as having 4 limbs? categories are a generalised grouping, they are not perfect and are susceptible to exceptions |
yeah, I raised that concern but we don't have to go the full way, It's doesn't have to be either 0% or 100%, we can also choose 85%.
Categories don't exist without context, so please provide context, I gave you a few examples.
Transgender people maybe also exceptions from your two categories or we need a new category for them.
