"Incel" terrorism

[o_O.Q]

MrWayne said:

o_O.Q said:

"I think we should treat transgender people how they want to be treated but there are  situations where we have to make a exception."

you think they should be treated how they want to be treated until you don't... that's my point

But that's the way our society works. This also applies to you and me.
It is a constant balancing of various interests. Personal freedom ends where it threatens the freedom of others.

I think the option for transgender women to participating in a women's sports league threatens biological women's opportunity to have a fair competition and in this case i value fair competition higher. Honestly this is actually the only exception i can think of.

o_O.Q said:

"How do you think we should treat transgender people?"

with respect, but that does not mean that the notion that men can simply become a women or vice versa through "identity" completely disregarding the biological basis from which we derive genders is the way to go

its an obvious mistake to do so... as jaicee has mentioned in this thread, one obvious consequence is that in doing so we run the risk of eliminating male and female as categories

and then why should mike tyson not be able to go head to head with rhonda rousey if the concept of man and woman don't mean anything?

why should we bother to advocate for women's issues when women don't exist?

.... i mean i don't really get how people cannot see what is at stake here

Your answer is rather vague. What do you mean with respect?
What pronoun do you use when talking about a transgender person? should they choose which toilet they use? should sex changing operations be allowed? should a transgender couple be allowed to marry and adopt children? etc.

I also don't get your concept of categories. Where do you use those categories? In medicine, work life, everyday life,..?
And what are those stakes you are talking about? do you think we will throw away our knowledge about the female body or women rights?(wasn't the strong segregation between men and women the reason why women were treated so badly in the past)

Btw some people are born neither male nor female so there are more than 2 categories from the beginning.

"I think the option for transgender women to participating in a women's sports league threatens biological women's opportunity to have a fair competition"

but i'm not getting this reasoning... aren't you ignoring biology when it comes to accepting a biological male identifying as a woman to begin with?

don't you see that you can't deny biology to accept their identity while at the same time deny their identity to accept biology? its inherently contradictory

 

"Your answer is rather vague. What do you mean with respect?"

the same level of respect i do with other people but that includes establishing boundaries against what i consider to be ridiculous ideologically motivated requests

 

"What pronoun do you use when talking about a transgender person?"

here's a question for you... if i stated that i identify as king and that my pronouns are rex and king, would you really go along with that? 

 

"should they choose which toilet they use?"

i honestly don't care which toilets they use

 

"should sex changing operations be allowed? "

why would anyone want to stop them... i personally don't care what anyone wants to do with their body, once i'm not expected to pay for it

 

"should a transgender couple be allowed to marry and adopt children?"

marriage is a personal decision but when it comes to adopting children, i'd think that should depend on research into whether it impacts upon children negatively

 

"I also don't get your concept of categories. Where do you use those categories? In medicine, work life, everyday life,..? "

how can you have a discussion about men, women and transgender people without understanding that these are categories?

when you go out into the world are you generally able to identify who is male and who is female? if so why?

 

"And what are those stakes you are talking about? do you think we will throw away our knowledge about the female body or women rights?"

didn't you mention one earlier when you raised your concern about transgender women competing against biological women? 

 

"Btw some people are born neither male nor female"

and some people are born with 8 limbs... do they stop being human as a result? or do we acknowledge that there are outliers in the process of reproduction and still retain the category that humans 99.9999999% of the time will exhibit characteristics such as having 4 limbs?

categories are a generalised grouping, they are not perfect and are susceptible to exceptions