You can't believe trump won?

[Nem]

Aura7541 said:

Nem said:

Ok, i see your issue. That is not something that i consider because i don't see my own country as ethnic A trying to screw Ethnic B or exterior trying to screw interior.

In an educated Country, everyone votes for the best of the country in their own view. Even if they vote selfishly that is legitimate. It is their right. It is democratic and equal. The majority wins and their decision is legitimate. If the people change their mind later, they elect someone else to change/revert that decision.

Though honestly, in my country there's countermeasures to that in the constitution. You can't make stupid laws like the examples you gave. They have to be legal.

Again, tyranny of the majority is something that can only happen in a country that probably shouldn't be a country. If your people's are actively trying to destroy each other, then you got a more fundamental problem to solve, or you know... make a better constitution that doesn't allow that without robbing people of their equality right.

 

I didn't say republic and democracy are mutually exclusive. Of course they are not. I said that the US is not a democracy (or at least a flawed one), wich we all know to be true and that i wish they stopped passing themselves as such. Wich they have since WW1. Or you know... actually improve the outdated 2 century old system to something more democratic so we can actually not cringe at the values of democracy being thrown in the mud.

However, you haven't proposed any suggestions to improve what you called an outdated 2 century-old system. I already mentioned one: in the presidential election, winner of the state automatically wins two electoral votes (senate) with the rest divvied up proportionally by the state popular or district vote (representatives). In addition, the United States is a union of sovereign states. Each state has its own government that serve its state citizens. Deciding who is president by the popular vote would actually undermine the democratic process of the states. This is another reason why the electoral college is utilized. As a matter of fact, two states use the system that I suggested: Maine and Nebraska. Those states went with the proportional system over the winner-take-all system via the democratic process. Want to improve the electoral college? Convince the other states to change the way the electoral votes are distributed.

Here's another solution I propose. Stop gerrymandering. It's a cheap tactic both political parties to win their state, congressional, and gubernatorial elections. If district lines need to be changed, then it should preferably be done by an independent non-partisan entity.

And one last thing. The US runs on a constitutional republic that uses democratic processes. It was never claimed to be a democracy and anyone who claims the country to be one does not understand how the US government works.

It's not my place to fix the american system. I'm pointing out the major flaw, but i'm not an american, the solution shouldn't come from me. Of course, i think the Portuguese model is the best one i've seen (not because i was born there. Theres more decent ones across europe. But the Portuguese one is modern and has all sorts of systems to safeguard equality, liberty and justice), but i know how american's behave when you try to tell them what is right. So, i'd rather they get there by themselves.

Your suggestions are steps in the right direction, but imo, equality is only achieved when every vote is worth the same. The electoral college system, should be done away with. Let the people elect their representitive directly.

The last point, you can't honestly believe. The US has clamored itself as one of the world's leading democracies. This is not my opinion, it has been such since WW1 and WW2. That is how the allied forces tried to differentiate themselves from the germanic alliances.