You can't believe trump won?

[DonFerrari]

Nem said:

Aura7541 said:

Just because the electoral college is not a 100% democratic system doesn't mean that it's a bad system. Sure, I would like to have the system changed a bit such as winner of the state automatically receives 2 electoral votes (senators) with the rest divvied up proportionally (representatives). However, the electoral college was designed to prevent the tyranny of the majority. This is especially true when a large proportion of the population comes from urban areas that tend to vote overwhelmingly Democrat. Voters in rural states such as Montana or the Dakotas have more "impact" in the general election, but it is so that their concerns aren't drowned out from sheer numbers.

And before you retort with "how about the tyranny of the minority!?", it is harder to win the electoral college if you don't get the majority or plurality of the popular vote. Yes, there have been a few presidents who won the electoral college without winning the popular vote, but it is not a common occurrence which would contradict the claim of "tyranny of the minority". And the presidents who won the general election without winning the popular vote did so because they appealed to enough groups of people rather than being over-reliant on one. For instance, Trump won over the working class as well as winning a higher proportion of the black, Hispanic, and Asian vote than Mitt Romney.

Tyranny of the majority is a nonsensical idea. If it's what the majority wants, by definition isn't tyranny. Tyranny is to opress the people. If the people are in a majority agreement it isn't tyranny. It's a ridiculous concept.

The fact that a rule was created to devalue the vote of some is what makes it non-democratic. The essence of democracy is that everyone has an equal voice, no matter the gender and the race aslong as they are mature enough age wise to exert it. Equality is the essence of democracy. Egalite, fraternite, liberte.

How terrible is the idea, that since one party gets more votes in an area that area should be worth less? It's a corrupt way gain power. The will of the people is what democracy is. If you corrupt that with these ridiculous sub rules to influence the results, it's no longer democracy. 

DonFerrari said:

A lot of his Portuguese population fled to Brazil during Franco's time, but I guess he prefered to play the smart-ass.

So pretty of you to attack my lack of geographical knowledge when you first ignored that A LOT of

What does that have to do with the topic? 

First, Portugal is a much older country than the US, and it had a revolution to throw out Salazar's regime. It then created one of the best democratic systems in the world. There's only things to be proud of.

Second, you mean YOUR population fled to Brazil. Cause that's what your population is, mixed with locals. Though again, i don't see what this has to do with anything.

And finally third, i call you on your BS. Portugal was not an enemy of Spain. You talk about this immigration wave like it was gigantic, but in truth it hardly even registers in history books (and probably had more to do with WW2). I am pretty sure it doesn't compare to the immigration we see in the opposite direction these days.

So killing the Jews in German wasn't a tyranny against the minorities just because the majority accepted it? Coooool man. Having a equal voice is what made the electoral system, so that the concerns of minorities get equal opportunity to be heard.

1 - Sure portugal is much older, have made a lot of colonization and exploration, made a lot of war, a lot of mistakes... Salazar dictatorship didn't end until the end of the 70's... while USA "not democratic" have been running fine for over 200 years.

2 - Nope, I'm not descendant of Portuguese, and the Portuguese in question fled in the last century so not that much mixed as the ones you are implying from the colonization. That have to do with you demonizing USA democracy while Portugal have a child democracy compared to centuries of non-democracy. But if you so much want to know my ascendancy I'm 3/4 from ex-slaves (probably with some unknown portuguese and spanish blood in between) and 1/4 Italian.

3 - Call BS all you want, Portugal during the last 500 years have had several conflicts and antagonism with Spain. It may not register in your books, but in Brazil the wave of immigrants during Salazar and Franco regimes was quite expressive. I inclusively have a lot of friends of recent portuguese heritage.