| EricHiggin said: Well you have to wonder if MS was so sure they were screwed this gen, and couldn't be behind next gen, why wouldn't they wait and launch a next gen console 2018, or 2019 then, instead of just extending this gen even further? Unless they really thought the most powerful console ever was really going to turn things around for XB1, but if that was the unbelievable case, they might as well pack up and go home because that type of logic is out to left field. |
Well, the XB1X really is just about relevance. I doubt they ever expected it to turn things around for them this gen, but it gives them a good footing to launch into next gen. Its at least got people talking about XB1 as opposed to the platform fading into extinction. And MS couldn't jump start a new gen at an affordable price point ($399-$499) in 2018 and as of 2016/17 they wouldn't even know if it was possible to do it in 2019. Simply cause if they were building their APU with anything other than 7nm fabrication, there wouldn't be a big enough jump betwen the XB2 and the PS4/Pro to warrant it being called a next gen cconsole or they would have had to go with a discrete CPU/GPU..... which would have meant they did be targeting a 10TF system, in 2018/19 such a system will still have cost them over $800.
| EricHiggin said: With the head start jump into next gen that the 360 had, and it's success (minus RROD), why would MS wait a year to sell an upgraded XB1, knowing full well it was a much worse idea then moving onto next gen asap and doing everything they could to shut down PS4? Since XB seems to have a 4 year cycle, all they needed to do was wait an extra year and they could have launched something like a 14/12nm Ryzen APU with 8TF, for $499. It would have been up to PS to decide if they were going to then add another upgraded PS4, or make sure PS5 landed holiday 2019 at the latest. |
Read above..... if they had done that it would have been worse. a $500 box in 2018 is not enough to represent a generational leap over the PS4/Pro. All they would have had to show for themselves is the exact same thing they are doing now with the XB1X, hey!! look look look!!! We are running at a higher rez than the PS4!!!
And I am sure that even MS knows that they had sony to thank for the success of the XB360. Even if they came a year later, Just imagine sony had released a console that came out at $399 , was easier to develop for (or at the very least had a less exotic architecture), still had a BR drive, had unified memory (and a little more of it than the 360), was slightly more powerful....etc. It woyuld have been a very different gen from what we all remember.
Its like sony did everything possible to ensure MS ravaged their market share.
| EricHiggin said:
Not when it comes to certain types of gamers maybe, but the third party only gamers, the GTA's and COD's, especially in NA, will be much more likely to buy an 'XB2' if it's basically the same performance and price as PS5 from the get go. Just look how bad XB1 screwed up and look how well it's sold, and is still selling in NA. As long as the 'XB2' message and policies are far from what the XB1 was, most sins will be forgiven. MS could even decide to give away a free year of XBL as a bonus for early adopters, which could get them back in the game and could put them on top of next gen quickly. They can't win yet on exclusives, so they have to do something third party or online related. It would be a subsidy/loss for just the first year, but would surely help 'XB2' gain strong market share in NA early on, and would probably help some in Europe. That's if XB cares about overall console hardware market share anymore. |
Well that is true..... and at the very best only in NA... but that is possible. Only unknown here is just how important is the whole PS+ subscription thing?
| EricHiggin said: Sega may think otherwise, but you do have a point. MS has put themselves in a tough spot regardless. By 2020 MS is unlikely to wait, and would probably launch alongside PS5. It's still early and a gamble for them, but far from a 2019 next gen start. Pro was fine overall after 3 years, so MS can follow suit now if they like and shouldn't get much blow back. 2021 is the latest MS would wait, since that's when their 4 year cycle would be up again. |
MS can't wait when it comes to next gen. There will be next gen games that will just not run on the current platforms. Even the XB1X.... and we have the CPUs in these consoles to thank for that. I mean i guess its possible to massage the games to run, but at what would probably be unjustifiable costs. But you never know right? Afterall all the major third party games has a way of being cross gen for at least the first year or so.
