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VGPolyglot said:

o_O.Q said:

"Socialism cannot co-exist with private property."

well jesus christ you mean i can't even own a home and bed to sleep on? and you think this is a good idea?

 

" Gun control is generally not favoured by revolutionary socialists because it's pretty hard to have a revolution without guns."

but lets be honest here, revolutionary socialists are pushing imaginary concepts

how will you enact and enforce your policies without a government or hierarchy?

do you intend to go to every home in your country and tell the owners at gun point that they must give up their homes?

 

"And socialism isn't "nobody owns anything", personal property and private property"

more semantic games, suppose i choose to rent a room in my house for profit? will i then be expelled from my home?

suppose i grow some fruit on the land my home is on and choose to sell that for profit? will my home then be repossessed?

who decides on these policies and enforces them? you?

 

"Also, what do you mean exactly by government? We might as well call every country socialist because every country has government"

yes every government to some extent puts social policies in place but what matters is the extent to which government controls people

in your socialist dream world government (since government is the only way to put your policies in place and enforce them whether you accept that or not) would have to have an unbelievable amount of control over people

Your first sentence just shows that you write things without even reading my whole post first, because that's pretty embarrassing of you to make a statement of you not being able to have your own bed when I specifically referred later in my post that that's not the case. That makes your second point irrelevant too because once again you refer to homes. As for your questions, renting out yourself would make it considered private it property yes, but not the fruits if you do all of the work on your own and then sell it wouldn't count since you're only profiting off of your own labour. And yes, I agree that some form of government is needed to enforce it, but the state isn't the only form of government. In any case, I am a bit baffled by your insistence on the government aspect, since you're a capitalist I assume yet are trying to say that government is bad, yet how would capitalism exist without it? There'd be nobody to create or enforce property laws. Also, it's irrelevant too whether or not you think socialism is possible, fine you make say that it's impossible, but that doesn't just meant that anything can be called socialist.

"As for your questions, renting out yourself would make it considered private it property yes"

ok therefore people would not be able to use their possessions for profit

what about if a woman decides to sell her body(which arguably would be far more in demand than a man's body) for profit? would you regulate that as well?

 

" but not the fruits if you do all of the work on your own and then sell it wouldn't count since you're only profiting off of your own labour."

so how would you preserve equality? do you understand that people work at different rates of speed?

 

" I agree that some form of government is needed to enforce it, but the state isn't the only form of government."

ok how would your government be organised? and how would it operate without a hierarchy exsiting between it and the people?

 

"yet how would capitalism exist without it? There'd be nobody to create or enforce property laws. "

property laws are needed for people to protect their property?

do you understand why people possess guns?

 

"Also, it's irrelevant too whether or not you think socialism is possible"

to clarify the socialism you have described is full of gaping massive holes but i do acknowledge that there are others who are trying to put practical policies in place such as socialised healthcare

 

"but that doesn't just meant that anything can be called socialist."

which is not what i said... taking resources from the richer people of society and distributing those resources across the society is the goal behind policies like socialised healthcare and state funded education

that's socialism and it to some extent is the motivating influence behind the ideas you have put forward also

and wow i'm a capitalist now?