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VGPolyglot on 15 April 2018
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o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

There's a difference between state-owned enterprises and privately-owned enterprises that are owned by people within the state. But if you don't want to include that, we can look at this:

https://www.adl.org/news/op-ed/german-businesses-and-nazis

Socialism cannot co-exist with private property.

 

As I said, socialists may be pushing for health care, education, etc. but that is not the end, it's a stepping stone. Gun control is generally not favoured by revolutionary socialists because it's pretty hard to have a revolution without guns.

 

And socialism isn't "nobody owns anything", personal property and private property are not considered to be the same things.

https://www.liberationnews.org/10-09-23-eight-myths-about-socialismand-html/

 

Also, what do you mean exactly by government? We might as well call every country socialist because every country has government, which renders that term meaningless. Of course I can understand saying that the policies Hitler implemented and the current policies in European countries and North America have similarities, but another thing that's similar between the two is that they're not socialist.

"Socialism cannot co-exist with private property."

well jesus christ you mean i can't even own a home and bed to sleep on? and you think this is a good idea?

 

" Gun control is generally not favoured by revolutionary socialists because it's pretty hard to have a revolution without guns."

but lets be honest here, revolutionary socialists are pushing imaginary concepts

how will you enact and enforce your policies without a government or hierarchy?

do you intend to go to every home in your country and tell the owners at gun point that they must give up their homes?

 

"And socialism isn't "nobody owns anything", personal property and private property"

more semantic games, suppose i choose to rent a room in my house for profit? will i then be expelled from my home?

suppose i grow some fruit on the land my home is on and choose to sell that for profit? will my home then be repossessed?

who decides on these policies and enforces them? you?

 


"Also, what do you mean exactly by government? We might as well call every country socialist because every country has government"

yes every government to some extent puts social policies in place but what matters is the extent to which government controls people

in your socialist dream world government (since government is the only way to put your policies in place and enforce them whether you accept that or not) would have to have an unbelievable amount of control over people

Your first sentence just shows that you write things without even reading my whole post first, because that's pretty embarrassing of you to make a statement of you not being able to have your own bed when I specifically referred later in my post that that's not the case. That makes your second point irrelevant too because once again you refer to homes. As for your questions, renting out yourself would make it considered private it property yes, but not the fruits if you do all of the work on your own and then sell it wouldn't count since you're only profiting off of your own labour. And yes, I agree that some form of government is needed to enforce it, but the state isn't the only form of government. In any case, I am a bit baffled by your insistence on the government aspect, since you're a capitalist I assume yet are trying to say that government is bad, yet how would capitalism exist without it? There'd be nobody to create or enforce property laws. Also, it's irrelevant too whether or not you think socialism is possible, fine you make say that it's impossible, but that doesn't just meant that anything can be called socialist.