Trump is over - Chemical Attacks Staged

[o_O.Q]

VGPolyglot said:

o_O.Q said:

" You know, the elimination of private industry?"

how can industry be private when its under government control?

 

" And no, those are not policies that are being pushed by socialists"

wut?

socialists aren't pushing for socialised health care? state funded education? government control of services like water? gun control? employment for all (with caveats of course)

lets clarify something here first though socialism of the imaginary type where everyone is equal and no owns anything and there's no crime etc etc etc is just that - imaginary... if i proceed to ask you how you would put such a system in place your inevitable answer would have to be through government policies which obviously kind of destroys the whole everyone is equal part... so lets put that to the side

i'm talking about the practical real world policies that socialists of our era are pushing and i don't think anyone can seriously deny that its policies that fall in line with many of the policies hitler put into place

There's a difference between state-owned enterprises and privately-owned enterprises that are owned by people within the state. But if you don't want to include that, we can look at this:

https://www.adl.org/news/op-ed/german-businesses-and-nazis

Socialism cannot co-exist with private property.

 

As I said, socialists may be pushing for health care, education, etc. but that is not the end, it's a stepping stone. Gun control is generally not favoured by revolutionary socialists because it's pretty hard to have a revolution without guns.

 

And socialism isn't "nobody owns anything", personal property and private property are not considered to be the same things.

https://www.liberationnews.org/10-09-23-eight-myths-about-socialismand-html/

 

Also, what do you mean exactly by government? We might as well call every country socialist because every country has government, which renders that term meaningless. Of course I can understand saying that the policies Hitler implemented and the current policies in European countries and North America have similarities, but another thing that's similar between the two is that they're not socialist.

"Socialism cannot co-exist with private property."

well jesus christ you mean i can't even own a home and bed to sleep on? and you think this is a good idea?

 

" Gun control is generally not favoured by revolutionary socialists because it's pretty hard to have a revolution without guns."

but lets be honest here, revolutionary socialists are pushing imaginary concepts

how will you enact and enforce your policies without a government or hierarchy?

do you intend to go to every home/business in your country and tell the owners at gun point that they must give up their homes/businesses?

 

"And socialism isn't "nobody owns anything", personal property and private property"

more semantic games, suppose i choose to rent a room in my house for profit? will i then be expelled from my home?

suppose i grow some fruit on the land my home is on and choose to sell that for profit? will my home then be repossessed?

suppose a woman decides to sell her body for profit?

who decides on these policies and enforces them? you?

 

"Also, what do you mean exactly by government? We might as well call every country socialist because every country has government"

yes every government to some extent puts social policies in place but what matters is the extent to which government controls people

in your socialist dream world government (since government is the only way to put your policies in place and enforce them whether you accept that or not) would have to have an unbelievable amount of control over people

Last edited by o_O.Q - on 15 April 2018