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VGPolyglot on 15 April 2018
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o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

No, I didn't deny that, I was questioning your reliability when you list a quote attributed to Hitler that was not even said by Hitler. And I don't understand your so what, because that's a key part of socialism? You know, the elimination of private industry? And no, those are not policies that are being pushed by socialists, if they are it's only as a temporary measure, you're equating social democrats with socialists.

" You know, the elimination of private industry?"

how can industry be private when its under government control?

 

" And no, those are not policies that are being pushed by socialists"

wut?

socialists aren't pushing for socialised health care? state funded education? government control of services like water? gun control? employment for all (with caveats of course)

lets clarify something here first though socialism of the imaginary type where everyone is equal and no owns anything and there's no crime etc etc etc is just that - imaginary... if i proceed to ask you how you would put such a system in place your inevitable answer would have to be through government policies which obviously kind of destroys the whole everyone is equal part... so lets put that to the side

i'm talking about the practical real world policies that socialists of our era are pushing and i don't think anyone can seriously deny that its policies that fall in line with many of the policies hitler put into place

There's a difference between state-owned enterprises and privately-owned enterprises that are owned by people within the state. But if you don't want to include that, we can look at this:

https://www.adl.org/news/op-ed/german-businesses-and-nazis

Socialism cannot co-exist with private property.

 

As I said, socialists may be pushing for health care, education, etc. but that is not the end, it's a stepping stone. Gun control is generally not favoured by revolutionary socialists because it's pretty hard to have a revolution without guns.

 

And socialism isn't "nobody owns anything", personal property and private property are not considered to be the same things.

https://www.liberationnews.org/10-09-23-eight-myths-about-socialismand-html/

 

Also, what do you mean exactly by government? We might as well call every country socialist because every country has government, which renders that term meaningless. Of course I can understand saying that the policies Hitler implemented and the current policies in European countries and North America have similarities, but another thing that's similar between the two is that they're not socialist.