Chris Hu said:
The government did not have control over businesses in the Third Reich. I'm guessing you have NAZI Germany confused with the Soviet Union. Again you need to brush up on your history and politics. Also if you can't realize that abolishing all trade unions is a very pro business capitalistic policy then you also need to brush up on economics. On top of that the NAZI's also implemented a wage freeze once they gained power which is another pro business and very capitalistic policy. The only one that is constantly proven to be wrong is you my friend. The NAZI's gained power with the financial aid of powerful industrialist. Plus they need financial support of those industrialist long before they gained power since they had a powerful para military force that wasn't exactly cheap to maintain. |
"The government did not have control over businesses in the Third Reich"
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007655
"
ESTABLISHING CONTROL OF THE PRESS
When Adolf Hitler took power in 1933, the Nazis controlled less than three percent of Germany’s 4,700 papers.
The elimination of the German multi-party political system not only brought about the demise of hundreds of newspapers produced by outlawed political parties; it also allowed the state to seize the printing plants and equipment of the Communist and Social Democratic Parties, which were often turned over directly to the Nazi Party. In the following months, the Nazis established control or exerted influence over independent press organs."
"Through measures to “Aryanize” businesses, the regime also assumed control of Jewish-owned publishing companies, notably Ullstein and Mosse."
for one thing jews were not allowed to own businesses because of government suppression
https://mises.org/library/myth-nazi-capitalism
"German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.
“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”"
the government controlled the economy in order to provide various social programs...
The RAD's work included:
- planting forests
- digging ditches on farms.
June 1933 - The Unemployment Relief Act
- Build a network of motorways (Autobahn)
- Build hospital
The treatment of young people
Controlling education
Up until 1933, the provincial governments were responsible for the majority of schools. When the Nazis came to power, Berlin's Minister of Education, Bernhard Rust, became responsible for education in Germany. Every pupil had to stay in school until he or she was 14 years old, then it was optional.
Nationalized Healthcare
Also from the WW2 Surivor’s accounting of Nazism:
After Hitler’s health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.
As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80% of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.
Gun Control
Yes, Germany had gun control. It started before Hitler with a national gun registry:
…in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration. Law-abiding persons complied with the law, but the Communists and Nazis committing acts of political violence did not.
"Also if you can't realize that abolishing all trade unions is a very pro business capitalistic policy then you also need to brush up on economics. "
and supporting capitalism is the only agenda abolishing trade unions can can be used for?
i'd think they'd be a good tool for control in a dictatorship regardless... but that's just my common sense working i suppose
then again if you don't even understand the control component of socialism that wouldn't occur to you
"On top of that the NAZI's also implemented a wage freeze once they gained power which is another pro business and very capitalistic policy."
lmao governments implement wage freezes all the time... governments are capitalist in your view? are you being serious right now lol
"The NAZI's gained power with the financial aid of powerful industrialist."
true and so what? what relevance does this have to whether when in place they actually were socialist?
