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HollyGamer on 11 April 2018
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Pemalite said:

Okay. Lets clear up some misconceptions.

Next-Gen tech is mature, it's not overtly difficult to beat the Xbox One/Playstation 4 in regards to GPU capabilities, modern GPU's make the Xbox One/Playstation 4 look positively anemic.

Ryzen has been on the market for over a year.
Mobile Ryzen is using the Zen+ core.

Not even an excuse at this point when AMD is developing it's next Ryzen core.

Whether Sony will opt for an APU really depends on economics, if the chip is going to be rather monolithic, then they might take a thread ripper approach and have multiple chips on the same package as it would reduce costs.

Navi architecture is different from Vega , also the dice size is different as well.   Navi will be using 7nm , for now they are no 7nm GPU on market. and what i mean mature are the dice size and their  wafer condition,  Navi is not even in production or in testing phase yet. 

Yup Zen APU  exist on the market, but the price is still expensive and they have a little choice in the variant it's also it's still using 14 nm  dice size , PS5 will be using 7 nm.

Threadripper is highly unlikely for current market or in near future, you also need to considered the high TDP, Console usually use mobile CPU and APU is the best way for that.  

 

Graphics Core Next is extremely modular all things considered.

You can have a Graphics Core Next 1.0 based GPU with Navi features tacked on... This is the same approach Microsoft and Sony took with their consoles.

That doesn't make it a new architecture, it's still Graphics Core Next, it's just a variant.

Pretty sure I read that AMD has a 61% profit margin on it's Ryzen CPU's, some a little more than that, some a little lower, these semi-custom console chips have a different pricing structure and thus shouldn't be compared to what is on the PC.

But if you think the consoles will get an identical CPU found on the PC/Desktop, then you are kidding yourself, that has never happened in the world of consoles, there is always changes to things like buses, caches and so on.
Even the Original Xbox with it's x86 processor had cutbacks to things like cache in order to cost reduce.

Graphic core are modular design, but it's still not have scalability ability like in Navi ,What ever you called variant or not, it's still considered better and new .  And also we still don't have any news regarding the tech, but for sure it far better then Vega. SONY would have chose Vega if your argument is correct and use this on their ps4 pro. 

I know we are not using after market CPU/GPU, Because of price/ TDP/ Size/ efficiency (PC use a lot of chace bus etc for multiple computing for work, etc) and I know we cannot compared the price directly, because it's not a whole  market GPU/CPU but just the CPU/GPU core, but still it's still lack of  price option and variant option. What we have on the market now are 4 core variant  , and AMD might have 8 core in the second generation in near future . Maybe SONY are waiting for this.

 

 

Last edited by HollyGamer - on 11 April 2018