30,000 Britons Demand Trump

[Helloplite]

LurkerJ said:

Helloplite said:

I think you are confusing the UK with Saudi Arabia. Saying "Allah is gay" is not going to ban you from entering the UK -- neither will saying "Jesus is gay". I can wear a t-shirt saying anything, as long as it is not racist or discriminating, and I will be fine. Now, if you were to say that "Allah is gay" in Saudi Arabia, I could very well see you being banned or thrown in prison immediately upon arrival. Obvious things should be obvious, but I increasingly realize that this is not the case.

Same questions as to the above person:

1. Have you even lived in the UK ever? 
2. If yes, provide proof that there is a pro-Muslim conspiracy that allows people to say that Jesus is gay, but prevents them from saying that Allah is gay.

10 years ago, your first paragraph would've been correct. 

Both of your questions are answered in my earlier posts, but I'll repost the Youtube video explaining the story of the woman who was banned from entering the UK for saying "Allah is gay" days ago. View it at your leisure. 

View on YouTube

And here is a bonus video for those who continue to give British Muslims the benefit of the doubt, this is a "moderate" Muslim celebrating the ban of a woman from entering the UK for saying "Allah Is Gay": 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1KBpNyL1f4&t

A Youtube link?

Of an uneducated Canadian alt-right provocateur? 

Of someone who has known ties to the nazi-group English Defence League?

She distributed anti-Muslim leaflets outside areas of Luton with high Muslim populations (Luton has almost 25% Muslim population). She was not banned from entering the UK for believing that Allah is having sex with Jesus, but for the following:

A person who uses threatening or insulting words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence if:
(1) s/he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or
(2) having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby. 

This has been the law in the UK since 1986, so it would have also happened 10 and 20 and 30 years ago. In this case, this individual traveled to the UK with her sole purpose being to go to Luton, find a community of Muslims, and throw around ridiculous leaflets meant to agitate the local community. She was not banned for saying that Allah is gay. She was banned for "intending to stir up racial hatred" which is exactly what she was doing, and which is further proven by her ties to English Defense League. Also of note is the fact that she was not arrested in any way. She was allowed to stay as normal, and was only banned after leaving the country. In fact, the relevant law is extremely lax, as the maximum sentence for such an act (which was not given in this case) is 6 months imprisonment. Since her sole purpose of travel was to incite hatred, it was also the right decision to keep her away as the UK does not need Canadians traveling to Luton and throwing pamphlets around. 

Do you want to genuinely know more about the UK? In the UK, the English Defense League exists and is allowed to operate, despite constant links to guns, violence, and attacks against other groups. When particular individuals do something hateful, then these individuals are tried and fined or sent to the prison. But the group as a whole is allowed to exist and politically assert its opposition to the spread of Islam in the UK. This is the spirit of free speech. When Islamists seeking to exact "revenge on the enemies of Allah" plotted to bomb an English Defence League march they were caught, tried and sentenced to 18 to 20 years in prison. Because there is a distinction between free speech, hate speech, and criminal activity.

If you cannot understand law, or even basic essentials of jurisprudence, you should not be commenting at all. Otherwise you end up showing just how little you understand about the topic. 

Last edited by Helloplite - on 10 April 2018