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LurkerJ said:
Helloplite said:

Hate speech is not subjective. UK has the PREVENT system to deal with radical extremism. Why should all London Islamic Schools be shut down? Are all religions a form of hate speech, or is it Islam in particular?

Hate speech is subjective. For example, Islam is hate speech, that's an objective reality to me, yet no one is banning Islamic teachings in the UK, Why? Because the ones who disagree subjectively think otherwise. 

To answer your question, most religions spread hate speech one way or another, but as I explained earlier, only Islam is a growing problem that's facing Europe as a whole. Saying Jesus is gay would not get you banned from entering the UK, but saying Allah is gay does. 

I think you are confusing the UK with Saudi Arabia. Saying "Allah is gay" is not going to ban you from entering the UK -- neither will saying "Jesus is gay". I can wear a t-shirt saying anything, as long as it is not racist or discriminating, and I will be fine. Now, if you were to say that "Allah is gay" in Saudi Arabia, I could very well see you being banned or thrown in prison immediately upon arrival. Obvious things should be obvious, but I increasingly realize that this is not the case.

Furthermore, hate speech is not subjective. By saying that something is "an objective reality to you" you have merely shown a disregard to how we define 'hate speech'. If something incites hatred or prejudice, and is targetted against a group (rather than a particular individual, where it could be libel), then it is hate speech. I can say "Allah is gay", and while that wouldn't be wise (because sexual jokes are not exactly the pinnacle of maturity), it wouldn't be hate speech either. If I say that "the holocaust didn't happen, but it should have" then that is hate speech and I should be rightly prosecuted for it, as I am implying that being a Jew automatically makes you a certain person whom we should act upon in a specific hateful manner. 

Same questions as to the above person:

1. Have you even lived in the UK ever? 
2. If yes, provide proof that there is a pro-Muslim conspiracy that allows people to say that Jesus is gay, but prevents them from saying that Allah is gay.

Last edited by Helloplite - on 10 April 2018