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o_O.Q on 07 April 2018
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the-pi-guy said:
o_O.Q said:

"Not usually. "

uh again that's not true

Do you have some examples or do I have to take your word for it?

"This is another big part of feminism, women should be allowed to join the military, become garbage women, etc.  "

my point was being made with regards to your argument about past oppression 

and really? i'll concede on the military, but a big part of feminism is getting women to become garbage women?

You bet.

https://foresternetwork.com/msw-management-magazine/ms-waste/ms-waste-collection/women-in-waste/

"Pretty much."

lol ok and why is rape a crime therefore?

The fact that it's a crime means I'm wrong?  Okay.  For a long time marital rape wasn't a crime.  You were legally allowed to shove your wife down and rape her regardless of what she felt about it.  This didn't become a thing until 1979.

Why do you think that might be?

http://time.com/3975175/spousal-rape-case-history/


"https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/02/us/brock-turner-release-jail/index.html"

there have been cases where men were jailed for false accusations... does that invalidate your argument? or is the justice system just not perfect?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-surrey-11676804

No it doesn't invalidate my argument.  The justice system is imperfect.  

btw it appears that the investigation did not produce significant evidence to conclude he raped the woman... were you there? do you have sufficient evidence yourself to conclude that he did rape her? or is her accusation enough evidence?

from this article you posted it appears that this is the case

5 men who were accused of sexual assault and got little or no jail time

because women never lie and there are never misunderstandings between people... may the gods have mercy on you and not let you fall into a situation where a misunderstanding with a woman or a dishonest women result in your own ideas about these situation result in you getting shafted

I never said women don't lie.  

Feminism made articles like these:  https://www.nicholls.edu/wrso/sexual-assault/safety-tips/

 

"In many situations, there's very few precautions that can be made."

example?

Really?  You think there's precautions that can be made in every situation?  Unless you're a person who has their gun out and pointed at anyone you see, there's tons of situations where you can't do very much.  


'A lot of these things are vastly more complicated than just women being different.  The fact that society has certain expectations also ends up affecting how women believe they should see themselves, same with men.  "

well yeah, but that's an existential problem... you are never going to have a society that does not have expectations for the individuals that comprise it

and there are always going to be people that fall short of these expectations

but regardless can you give me as example of the expectations you are referring to with regards to women

 

"Society believes men should be emotionless creatures, then we wonder why suicide rates are so high.  "

yeah but again there will never be a society that does not have a concept for what the best behavior for individuals will be 

Well I'm feeling optimistic.

 " early on in education, these differences often don't exist at all."

yeah... noticing that before puberty the differences between men and women are not as pronounced isn't earth shattering, the point of puberty is to mature as a man or woman

is your argument that its education and not puberty/biology that causes the greater divide seen later on?

No, my argument is that society has an impact on individuals.  You are arguing that all the time.  You argue that random articles cause people to feel victimized, and whatever else.  

Eating disorders are a huge example of how society affects how we see ourselves.   There was a study about eating disorders and bringing television to an island population.  The island went from having no eating disorders, to have very high rates of eating disorders in just a few years.  

the only way that could be is if you don't acknowledge that there are fundamental differences in men and women

There are none that matter.  

"Do you have some examples or do I have to take your word for it?"

uh car insurance? home owners insurance? 

 

"https://foresternetwork.com/msw-management-magazine/ms-waste/ms-waste-collection/women-in-waste/"

can you identify the feminist organisation involved in this? or is the assumption just being made that this is a result of feminist advocacy?

 

"This didn't become a thing until 1979."

again, i'm talking about 2018 not decades ago

 

"I never said women don't lie.  "

but that would be the obvious conclusion if all claims they make must result in convictions as you have implied by linking an article that states that men should be jailed simply for accusations

 

"Feminism made articles like these:  https://www.nicholls.edu/wrso/sexual-assault/safety-tips/"

and the vast majority of feminists now would call this an example of "victim blaming" because it advocates for the agency of women

but yes this is good

 

"Really?  You think there's precautions that can be made in every situation?"

i'm trying to get a better understanding of the situations you are referring to

 

"No, my argument is that society has an impact on individuals."

again, this is an existential problem, its never going to be the case that a society will not mold and shape an individual which is why its important for people to balance their socialisation with their individuality

 

"Eating disorders are a huge example of how society affects how we see ourselves. "

you seem to be referring here to women trying to compete with beauty standards

but the thing is that this is not a gendered problem, men also have an ideals they try to live up to in order to be attractive

this is another persistent problem that always will occur when you live among other people

 

"There are none that matter.  "

it'd be funny if you were a heterosexual or homosexual saying this(and you might be i don't know)

but no you're wrong

the gender pay gap, for example, is caused by the differences between men and women

women obviously take more time off for their pregnancies and family life and beyond that they seek out professions that are lower paying to a higher degree

http://www.thejournal.ie/gender-equality-countries-stem-girls-3848156-Feb2018/