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VGPolyglot on 07 April 2018
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Aeolus451 said:
VGPolyglot said:

You're the one who brought up it achieving everything it wanted, and Venezuela is not socialist.

Venezuela is closer to being socialist than any of the EU. He literally tried to seize the means of production from companies. He had their slogans everywhere.

Socialism doesn't want to dissolve the state. The only way the community could own and control the means of production, distribution and exchange is thru a government.

Even Fox News acknowledges that it's not socialist:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/18/socialism-private-sector-dominates-venezuelan-economy-despite-chavez-crusade.html

And I didn't claim that the EU was socialist, so that point is irrelevant.

Also, socialism does want to dissolve the state. Marxism and anarchism, two of the largest sects of socialism, both support the eventual elimination fo the state as the state's goal is primarily viewed to maintain class division:

https://libcom.org/library/marxism-state-communism-withering-away-state-groepen-van-internationale-communisten-gik

http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/michail-bakunin-stateless-socialism-anarchism

Last edited by VGPolyglot - on 07 April 2018