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contestgamer said:
VGPolyglot said:

In the absence of force? How do you coincide that with wealth being focused in the hands of the few? They would need force to maintain that power. And no, I don't expect the opposite to occur just from abolishing the state, the economic system has to be replaced too.

I mean centralized, state force. in the 1800's you have private militias that were larger than the entire US military for hire by large corporate entities. That's what I'd expect to happen without state force, private militias for hire that act as enforcers for the rich and powerful that rise to the top of the economic ladder. How you expect to replace an economic system without a state to enforce it? Do you mean like a "Zeitgeist movie" type system?

So, what would prevent them from just making another state? That'd legitimize their power through laws and institutions. Many socialists also don't expect to replace an economic system without a state to enforce it, that's what the dictatorship of the proletariat refers to. Essentially the state would suppress counter-revolutionary action and once accomplished the state would no longer be needed. As for anarchists, anarchy does not equal chaos, so even if there was no state, there'd still be some form of organization, as with the current population and industrial system it's impossible not to.