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KLAMarine on 31 March 2018
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thismeintiel said:
KLAMarine said:

Not only did they have a chance to dial the hype back, they gave NMS devs a big screen to promote the game on not once but twice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6JakCSDHPM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGy8HIYBwV0

Hell, even Yoshida himself had a seat with Murray at one point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sb-clg3Tlw

 

Seems pretty active promotion to me. I believe it was Sony who approached Hello Games from the start!

But promoting the product of a little team of 16 or so is not the same as promoting a Ubi Soft game or Rockstar game. Surely Sony knows a thing or two about game development and what a dozen-man team is capable of? They've only been in the business for some 20 years. According to IGN, Yoshida himself acknowledged:

"It wasn't a great PR strategy, because he didn't have a PR person helping him, and in the end he is an indie developer."

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/09/16/shuhei-yoshida-no-mans-sky-didnt-have-a-great-pr-strategy

Maybe 20 years wasn't enough time for Sony to learn about game development? They sure know how to put on a show regardless, distribute the game, put the game on the PSN storefront and sell the game at $60 a pop.

Of course, I think just about anything is forgivable if Sony were ready to issue refunds with the greatest of ease. Not so it seemed, Sony was pretty good with the lip service at the time:

https://cdn.gamer-network.net/2015/articles/1/8/5/6/7/8/1/sonys-shuhei-yoshida-on-no-mans-sky-147402330183.png

tl;dr: "Sony won't issue a refund for a faulty product, go complain to Hello Games (who may or may not have been pulling a vanishing act at the time)".

#4theplayer

Knowing you thismeintiel, with all due respect, I suspect you would have been dancing and singing condemnation of this sort of behavior if it were anyone other than Sony.

Good thing you don't know me, huh?

Not personally, no. I'm familiar with some of your posting habits however.

thismeintiel said:

And no, there is no difference. You can blame Sony all you want for trying to help a small dev team

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

thismeintiel said:

while trying to deflect blame away from a 1st party dev and their parent company lying about the scope of their game, even though that team is more than 12x the size of HG and had 4 years to deliver something, but it's not going to work.

I deflected blame away from a 1st party dev? When?

thismeintiel said:

There's a reason SoT is getting worse reviews than even NMS. 

# nomanssea

...What reason would this be? I honestly don't know, I almost never read reviews.

Aura7541 said:
KLAMarine said:

Not only did they have a chance to dial the hype back, they gave NMS devs a big screen to promote the game on not once but twice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6JakCSDHPM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGy8HIYBwV0

Hell, even Yoshida himself had a seat with Murray at one point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sb-clg3Tlw

 

Seems pretty active promotion to me. I believe it was Sony who approached Hello Games from the start!

Knowing you thismeintiel, with all due respect, I suspect you would have been dancing and singing condemnation of this sort of behavior if it were anyone other than Sony.

When I say Sony wasn't active in the promotion, I mean Sony took a laissez-faire approach rather than taking charge of Hello Game's PR. If you think Sony giving Hello Games a platform to promote NMS is an 'active' promotion, then sure, though now we would be going into semantics. Watching through the PSX video, you see that is mostly a Q&A. Yoshida is asking Sean Murray multiple questions and he answers them while further explaining about NMS. Again, if you want to interpret Yoshida's role as 'active', then okay. However, I would then ask you who was more 'active' in promoting NMS in the PSX video?

How was it not an active promotion? Did Sean force himself onto Sony's platform? Was Shuhei Yoshida ambushed into doing that demo with Sean? I highly doubt any of these things occurred without Sony's permission. If so, I must applaud Sean. He's a clever man.

Aura7541 said:

The situation is also different from SOT's since Hello Games is a 3rd party developer whereas Rare is a 1st party studio. Because Rare is owned by Microsoft, whenever Rare is promoting SOT, Microsoft is also effectively promoting SOT.

Doesn't seem all that different from Sony hosting NMS promotional content on their media outlets:

First or third party, promotion is promotion.

Aura7541 said:
KLAMarine said: 

Knowing you thismeintiel, with all due respect, I suspect you would have been dancing and singing condemnation of this sort of behavior if it were anyone other than Sony.

You should drop the ad hominem. Just address his points, not his character.

My sincerest apologies, perhaps you are correct that it was unfair of me to post that. I meant no offense, I just wanted to call to attention some of thismeintiel's apparent biases.

thismeintiel said:

My apologies thismeintiel if you took offense.