How do you feel about X in your country?

[DonFerrari]

Nymeria said:

DonFerrari said: 

I go back to Brazil because USA is a continental size country with 300M population (akin to Brazil), while Japan is completely different. And both are failing at doing drug control.

Sure someone should pick its battle, but when USA is unable to fight against any and all illegal drugs and people abuse even on legal ones, why do you think they would be totally capable of controlling guns if they were made illegal? Because I'm not a gun lover, so if no one would be able to have a gun I would have no issue... but as long as there is a good probability that a criminal is capable of getting a gun I'm not all right with any government saying I can't have one.

That's your criteria then. I disagree because I think history, culture, and economics play greater roles in shaping a society.  Canada is far closer to England culturally due to history and language than it is to Russia culturally despite climate, geographic size, and population density those two countries have.

I never said totally capable. I stated it would still have issues.  If you can buy rifles, shotguns, and pistols, just not military grade weapons and that means reduce gun deaths and mass shooting deaths by it is worth it to try.   I don't look at problems with a defeatist attitude that we cannot do address them, such a mindset means why bother attempting anything if failure is a possibility.  

Sure USA and Canada are more similar to UK from these points than to Brazil and Russia. Still USA is heavily gun lovers while UK is almost gun free, so for parallels on that I don't see much value.

With 2 pistols it's quite easy and fast to kill 15 people in a single class room if the person doesn't totally suck at shooting, so I don't see how much better you would have the situation by banning assault rifles.

the-pi-guy said:

DonFerrari said:

1 - Government involvement in the market as a whole help a lot in increasing the costs. And in Brazil compared to our GDP the private healthcare is quite expensive, 1h appointment on a regular doctor cost about 1/2 a minimum month wage, health plan for a 30y old citizen around 1/3 of the minimum month wage while a senior plan about 4 times a minimum month wage... does that sound cheap to you? Or putting in USA money, single consult about 960USD healthcare plan to young people 8k/year and for seniors 100k/year. Is that cheap for you in comparison?

2 - Brazil freedom is very low, and go there and convince your fellow citizen on abolishing 2nd amendment... while you do that look that in Brazil we have guns forbidden and our most peaceful capital (big city) is more violent than your most violent one.

The worse weapon government can develop like nuclear and bioweapon isn't much advisable to use against its own citizen since it could destroy its own country, so repression could be by using tank, assault rifle and drones... besides the first, the other 2 citizen can have access to.

1-  Why are you bringing up private healthcare?  

US pays twice as much as Brazil does, compared to GDP.  

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There's also things like unmanned drones, and plenty of other things.  The military spends $12 million on a drone, so no those aren't things citizens can get easily. 

1- The other person brought that USA private healthcare is to much expensive against Brazil that is cheap.

US may pay twice as much. But that can be put as USA having more access to it. Can you say that a single appointment in USA cost half your minimum monthly wage (960USD), and that the healthcare plan cost 1/3 of minimum wage (8k) for young adults and 4 times the minimum wage (100k) for seniors?

Because that would put it sizable expensiveness compared to Brazil.

2- I didn't say it is easy, and every single technology starts expensive and them get to mass market low prices. Still citizen can make armed drones.