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DonFerrari said:
Nymeria said:

1 - There is plenty of data that shows when you negotiate in mass you get lower prices on products such as medicine.  I also think when profit is removed from the equation you aren't subsidizing an insurance industry it reduces costs.  If you can show me a comparable nation to the US that spends more on healthcare I'd be interested to see it.

I never said it was free. It is an allocation of resources investing in your citizenry so they don't go bankrupt, or have to beg on GoFundMe or are significantly economically impacted by an illness or accident.  I'd even gladly spend more in taxes than I do in insurance, co-pays and deductibles simply to remove the fear in my life and so many others that our system brings.

2 - Are you saying if the government has a weapon then the second amendment makes it a right of every American to purchase said weapon?

1 - Mass negotiation is different than the full government administration on healthcare. The government may not be doing profit like corporations, but employees will still make money comparable to private sector, if not they would move to there, and plus the overhead of the government doing it itself.

You would pay more taxes because you prefer the government to administrate your money instead of yourself??? Them never complain how bad it administrate it and put resources on the wrong place.

2 - That is the justification of it when made. Was there any weapon restricted under 2nd amendment when it was created?

1 - It would negatively affect insurance, pharmaceuticals, medical device manufacturers, and yes, the doctors and nurses salaries as costs would be cut.

I would pay more than I do now to avoid the spectre of fear our system has.  If I lose insurance I am a lost cause for insurance companies and would spend tens of thousands of dollars every year because I was born with conditions I had no control over and despite my best efforts with exercise, diet and medication.  I think it makes us lesser as a country when every year we allow people to be destroyed or die because they are poor and have health issues.  It saves the economy money even based on the detractors projections and it is a moral stance to take care of others.

2 - No, but then should we cease weapons allowed at the time the second amendment was created? Because if not, I want a nuke because the government has tons of them.  I've never met even the most fervent supporter of second amendment that would agree with that.