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Errorist76 said:
Ljink96 said:

Well, the flow of what it meant to be a "Generation" is gone. Everyone is off doing their own thing, of varying power levels, and varying time slots, as for back then every console came out at the same time, or within the same window, and ended around the same time. The traditional generation is dead. Switch and One X threw a wrench in it. We can't even agree that Switch is Gen 9 because everyone has their own idea of who kick-starts a generation. 

Xbox One X really isn't in a strange position because it seems like a diversion. Microsoft knew it was a premium product for premium users, at a premium price point. But it's leagues stronger than the PS4 and the Pro...technically of course. I just really want to see the route they're going to take and hope it isn't awkward. To not be in another PS3 situation, they have to have a deal with AMD, and hopefully they do, to drive down costs on their end. And again, what gets me worried is their statements on the Switch. Are they looking to retaliate? A handheld and a home console from then would not be satisfactory at this point, can't cram a dedicated GPU card in a handheld device, at least one powerful enough.

Not sure how long you’ve been gaming, but that’s not true at all. Nothing has changed. Models never released parallel, Be it Mega Drive and Super NES, PS1, PS2 and XBox or 360 and PS3. Switch is only hard to classify as it is indeed releasing between two gens...just like Pro and X1X which are both just iterative 8 gen consoles (8.5 so to speak).

The only „generations are done for“ talk comes from Microsoft, which is pure marketing. You’ll see how soon they drop support for the 8 gen consoles once new games utilise the new power of the 9th gen consoles. Everything else would hold back gaming as a whole.

Especially since market leader Sony have clearly stated that they still believe in a generational jump.

And no, X1X is sadly not leagues more powerful. It has the same weak CPU as the rest of the consoles which has always been a bottleneck already. Some more pixels won’t change that, as can be seen in several titles already, where the Pro even Gas the better performing version.

I'm not gonna keep going back and forth about generations, as generation as a word refers to a group of things living around the same time collectively. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_home_video_game_consoles) It's known that Gen 1 was Magnavox, Gen 2 was Atari, Coleco, FM Towns, Channel F, Intelliviosn, Gen 2 was SG 1000, Gen 3 was NES Master System, and so on. And each ended full support of software around the time of the next console release. These consoles all released around the same time, not in parallel but around the same time, and they were separated by bits until the 6th gen. Sony believing in a Generational jump in power doesn't automatically mean the status of generations is the same. Power itself doesn't determine that. If that was true The Sega 32X would have been included in Gen 5 and not 4. 

I don't necessarily like Microsoft's consoles, but them talking about the end of generations often flies over people's heads because they don't know what Microsoft is trying to say on a technical and objective level. What we're thinking is on a subjective and pathos based level. The aspects and attributes that have restricted what it meant to be a generation have been lifted. But yeah, you stick to your interpretation, and I'll go with Microsoft's.

But I digress,

Xbox One X can push true 4k, PS4 can't. IF we still believe in "Generational Jumps in power" we'd classify a jump of 480p to 720 or 1080p, technological jumps. Like I said, I don't care for Microsoft's consoles but they can do true native 4k, PS4 and Pro have to checkerboard and upscale. It's on paper stronger than the Pro and in practice. Yes...it does run into bottlenecks, but it has the hoarsepower to at least render native 4k, can't really downplay that. Any Pro game that outperforms the One X version is either poorly programmed for the One X, or devs don't want to invest in learning the hardware upgrades or making patches to take advantage of the hardware, which is understandable.

Last edited by Ljink96 - on 03 March 2018