Half A Billion Fewer Animals Are Being Killed Every Year Since 2007 As People Eat Less Meat

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The_Yoda said:

This one is a "Viking" turd and lots of meat there despite the availability of fruits, nuts and veggies.Granted if you are familiar with the Lloyds bank coprolite he doesn't sound like the healthiest of individuals 

 

This one is early North American but would seem to support your claim and is older than the viking turd.

 

@bolded

https://www.vox.com/2016/1/14/10760622/nutrition-science-complicated

This lends credence to some things you've said while also kind of shredding some other things. for those who don't wish to follow the link here is and excerpt from the end of the article:

 

Here's what they came up with:

A healthy dietary pattern is higher in vegetables, fruits, whole grains, low- or non-fat dairy, seafood, legumes, and nuts; moderate in alcohol (among adults); lower in red and processed meats; and low in sugar-sweetened foods and drinks and refined grains.

Additional strong evidence shows that it is not necessary to eliminate food groups or conform to a single dietary pattern to achieve healthy dietary patterns. Rather, individuals can combine foods in a variety of flexible ways to achieve healthy dietary patterns, and these strategies should be tailored to meet the individual’s health needs, dietary preferences and cultural traditions.

Anyone who tells you it's more complicated than that — that particular foods like kale or gluten are killing people — probably isn't speaking from science, because, as you can see now, that science would actually be near impossible to conduct.

Thanks for the links, I looked at them with interest.  I didn't find it very persuasive, however.  The ideal nutrition isn't just about hitting the right macro-nutrient and micro-nutrient ratios, it's about preventing disease.  And the science is pretty clear that the most plant-based diets tend to ward off the most disease.  Well, the most whole plant-food diets do, I'm the first to say that processed plant foods should be avoided.

Nutrition science tends to be based in theory.  I'm more interested in population studies that look at what large populations eat, and how healthy they end up in practice.  The Adventist studies are instructive in this regard.  They look at healthy and active people who focus on whole foods, because it's a tenant of the seventh day adventist faith that since they're made in god's image they should be healthy to as to honour that image.  The adventist vegans suffer less disease than the adventist vegetarians, and the adventist vegetarians beat out the adventist omnivores.  Studies like that are looking at healthy people who tend to be active and eat whole foods and the studies are balanced for socio-economic differences, and are therefore very compelling.  And they strongly suggest that even small amounts of high quality meat (even when paired with regular exercise) can't beat out a strictly whole food plant-based diet when it comes to warding off disease.