By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close
o_O.Q on 25 February 2018
Edit Thread
the-pi-guy said:
o_O.Q said:

"The point is that guns aren't the only way to achieve freedom."

against an armed oppressor they are the only way

 

"No.  The entire world of conflicts in the middle east or Africa or anywhere else are nothing compared to world war I or II."

i didn't realise that the world wars represented the entirety of human history outside of the present day

 

"From Jefferson, governments derive their powers from the consent of the governed.  "

what do you understand from this quote?:

""Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99 percent vote.""

the problem with democracy is that if the majority decides that it is just to strip away the rights of all then all are forced to comply

the reason why america was called a "constitutional republic" with "creator endowed rights" is because they understood that they people could be led quite easily to destroy themselves by revoking their rights for greater security

so they put down certain base rights and formed government around that

democracy does not inherently recognise creator endowed rights, the will of the majority of the people becomes law and as a result 

"democracy is indispensable to socialism"

"against an armed oppressor they are the only way"

Only if the armed oppressor is bigger, or less ethical.  

 

"i didn't realise that the world wars represented the entirety of human history outside of the present day"

I didn't realize you were unable to understand the facts beyond the examples that I gave you.  

There is data going back several centuries.  The world is absolutely safer today than ever before.  
Even the world wars were less deadly than most of human history.

"the problem with democracy is that if the majority decides that it is just to strip away the rights of all then all are forced to comply"

This is why there is a necessity to have an educated populace.  This is the danger of having propaganda, fake news, etc.

 

"Only if the armed oppressor is bigger, or less ethical. "

i think that being an oppressor and being ethical at the same time is kind of an oxymoron don't you think?

 

"I didn't realize you were unable to understand the facts beyond the examples that I gave you.  "

i was pointing out that it was fallacious to use the world wars as representations of how things have been throughout human history

 

"This is why there is a necessity to have an educated populace."

education does not taken away the limitations that cause people to be selfish, or envious or greedy etc etc etc

in fact it amplifies those traits in many instances

therefore, the idea that we can simply teach people out of wanting to be malevolent is a waste of time