the-pi-guy said:
o_O.Q said:
"Many countries became independent from Britain without a war. So at best, the US war for independence only made it happen sooner than it otherwise would have. "
solely because it was not in britains benefit to control them in the same fashion... if it had been then nothing would have changed unless those countries fought for their independence
You're thanking freedom for having guns, when there are other countries that gained their freedom without guns. It's hardly the case that all freedoms come with war. The US in particular has had several peaceful successes with gaining new freedoms such as the civil rights movement.
"Civil war doesn't really make sense. Both sides had guns. And the side that was "fighting for it's (messed up) freedoms" lost."
suppose the north didn't have guns and the south did?
Then the north
"In 2018 though, your guns don't protect your freedom. "
because human behavior has changed?
Yes and no.
This is the most peaceful time in history. Not because of gun ownership, but because of democracy. Many countries on Earth today, have enormous freedoms despite ridiculously low gun ownership rates.
"If the US government wanted to take your freedom away, there's absolutely nothing that could be done about it. The US spends many billions on weapons every year. They have bombs, unmanned drones, and much more. "
well that's your mindset to adopt the mentality of a serf and just accept whatever may come your way passively
but you have to understand that there are people who have a different mindset and are instead willing to fight for their freedom if they perceive that they are being oppressed by whatever authority figures hold control
the argument you just presented though could have been level at the peasants in france when they revolted
"why bother man, the monarchs have all the weapons and power and wealth and stuff lets just sit back and accept the abuse, being a slave isn't that bad man"
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The weapons that were available to common folk throughout history were much closer to the military weapons. This isn't the case anymore. The US government literally has the power to end nearly all life on Earth.
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"You're thanking freedom for having guns, when there are other countries that gained their freedom without guns."
you're trying to compare apples to oranges as i said previously
a country being actively oppressed and fighting for its freedom is different to the oppressor deciding that the control its exerting is not beneficial anymore
"This is the most peaceful time in history. "
no, the middle east, africa on a wider scale and even europe and asia are not peaceful at this point in time
"but because of democracy. "
"Social-Democracy, however, wants, on the contrary, to develop the class struggle of the proletariat to the point where the latter will take the leading part in the popular Russian revolution, i.e., will lead this revolution to a the democratic-dictatorship of the proletariat and the peasantry. "
vladimir lenin
the soviet union was democratic... how did that turn out?
there's a reason why america was founded as a constitutional republic and not a democracy... and there's a reason why there's such a profound push towards a democracy
"Many countries on Earth today, have enormous freedoms despite ridiculously low gun ownership rates. "
i'm not saying you are wrong but can you give an example?
"The weapons that were available to common folk throughout history were much closer to the military weapons. This isn't the case anymore. The US government literally has the power to end nearly all life on Earth. "
i already gave my response to this sentiment
there are people that are willing to fight for their freedom regardless of the circumstances, you might not be one of them but the point is that they exist
