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SuperNova on 22 February 2018
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DonFerrari said:
SuperNova said:

Yes, You summed it up better than perhaps I could.

Well my direct reply to you was like two posts above the post you decided to quote, but if you didin't see it that's fine.

I'm not judging their intentions. I know nothing of their intentions. I said as much in my post. I guessed at their intentions when I said: 'Maybe they just really wanted to set it there, because they like the area'. 

Other than that I judged their priorities, because they are clearly visible in the end product. If their priorities lay diffrently, the end product would look diffrent. Simple cause and effect.

I also never said they did anything to conciously prevent any diversity, just that they also didn't make a concious effort to include it because other stuff evidently was more important to them. And then I said that they also have NO OBLIGATION to make an effort to include diversity and that it doesn't mean that they are racist that they didn't.

And no obviously characters dont NEED to be any specific ethnicity of gender to be interesting and I never said they had to be. Since we were talking about a historic context I pointed out that historic outliers tend to be interesting.

At this point I'm really not sure why you keep arguing with me for pointing out the obvious, while you keep interpreting things into my posts that I never said. Please stop straight up making stuff up about my posts.

Their priority was to tell a story about the place they are from not to pick up an agenda about diversity on games.

Ok so to make sense of your first post, why should a dev consider a priority to tell a story about a very specific occasion that there were black people on medieval europe increasing diversity on the cast?

Leadified said:

Are you alright, lol? You quoted my post where I compared NiOh's William to the real William Adams, no where did I mention KCD.

On your post you tried to say that since NiOh had someone based on RL didn't had the same ethinic then they should also use this freedom to make a black character on the Kingdom and still call it accurate.

Because people where saying that the they couldn't possibly include diversity because of 'historic accurary'. I pointed out that if they had wanted to tell a diverse, historically accurate story in 14th century europe, they could and would have prioritized that. But they cared about other things, like portraying the area they are from, more. I was trying to be clear a bout the fact that that is not a moral judgement of the devs on my part. I simply do not like the logical error in the reasoning.

That is what I have been saying this entire time.

 

On a side note: Why would you think someone wanting to tell a divese story is on an agenda, while someone wanting to tell a homogenous story isn't anyways? Don't people usually just make games about topics they are passionate about and that they find interesting? In it's own way isn't that desire for expression pretty much the agenda of any given game? Why this extreme defensiveness?

Someone asked: 'Why isn't this game more diverse?' and the answer pretty obviously is: 'Because we were prioritizing other things in our vision for the game, like an historically accurate portrayal of our home stretch of land in 1400.' Everyone should be good at this point.

Someone wants to make a historically accurate, fun game about a white lady pirate in 14th century europe? Cool. Someone wants to make a historically accurate, fun game about a black danish nobleman? Cool. Someone wants to make a historically accurate, fun game about a  white son of a blacksmith turned warrior? Cool. Someone makes a game that I think has unused potential? Ok, I'll put in the research and pitch something I'm passionate about. Maybe the devs will take it into consideration next time because they think it's a cool idea, or maybe I'll make my own game about it.

It's ok to analyze and criticize media and it's ok to express your opinion about it and voice your concerns and wishes. It's also ok for a creator to either take or disregard that criticism and create whatever they want.