| Teeqoz said: I don't claim that the Sky Sports poll is gospel. Any internet poll like that (both yours and mine. BTW your link gives me a 404 error) will have flaws in demographic, and can vary wildly in sample size. It was just to show that it's not clear cut that the group in favour of grid girls is substantially larger. I also doubt the people who read at a specialized F1 site are representative of the average F1 fan, just like you and I probably aren't representative of the average gamer. So skewed demographics goes both ways. Good that we agree that my statement was objective. |
I fixed the link, it should work. I also provided two more polls and heres another one that happens to side with my stance. So I have four polls that agree with me vs only one poll that agree with you. Obviously, the amount of people who opposed the decision is greater. No, but seriously, that was why I pointed out at the proportion of respondents that belong to the target audience.
I also didn't say I agreed that your statement was objective. I said that "You can assert that the group was "sufficiently large" and that's an objective statement". I don't think fishing for gotcha moments help your case.
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Once again - I haven't said that grid girls don't provide any financial benefit. (I also never claimed that WEC scrapped grid girls due to declining revenue - I never said anything to suggest that). They probably do provide some financial benefit (though neither of us has any data on that). But I have shown that the possible financial benefit of having grid girls is not a necessity. It's an option, but not absolutely necessary. Wether financial contributions from grid girls were declining or increasing doesn't change that fact. |
I'm very aware of that and I haven't said that you were saying that grid girls don't provide any financial benefit. I still disagree because a company's main goal is to maximize profits and if grid girls help a company do that, then that would make them necessary. As you said below, if it goes to hell or if F1's revenues and profits go down, then my argument would be supported.
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Okay, I'll concede this for now, because I can't be bothered to find which Formula racing tournaments have grid girls and which don't. We'll know for sure within a year though, you know, since F1 themselves are removing grid girls. If everything goes to hell with F1 now, that would support your argument. |
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By the way, how does Formula E still having grid girls in some of their ePrixes contradict my conclusion? I'm merely stating that it's possibly to make do without grid girls. |
That's not what you said though: "Whatever opinions they've written in addition is irrelevant. WEC hasn't had grid girls since 2015. WEC is a formula racing tournament. Conclusion - grid girls aren't neccesary to have a formula racing tournament."
Since Formula E still has grid girls (as well as other tournaments like NASCAR), then your conclusion is not sound. I also said that your conclusion would be if you were referring to WEC racing tournaments because that would be more accurate.
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Once again - there existing tournaments with grid girls does not contradict that you can have tournaments without them. Why would my statement require all racing tournaments to not have grid girls? When did I ever imply anything in that regard? |
I will point to my previous two paragraphs.
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I have only said that grid girls aren't necessary. Plenty of things exist that aren't necessary. That's not a contradiction. A phone isn't necessary to communicate. That isn't contradicted by the fact that a lot of people use phoens to communicate. You don't have to add sugar to coffee. That isn't contradicted by the fact that some people add sugar to their coffee. And last but not least, you don't have to have grid girls to have a formula racing tournament. That isn't contradicted by the fact that many formula racing tournaments have grid girls. Right? |
I will point to my third paragraph. And if you put some more thought into it, you will realize that some of your examples do not support your argument that well. Hint: The phone one is a deeply flawed comparison.
