Errorist76 said:
withdreday said:
But it proves that most PS4 owners don't deem it worth it to fork over 400 bucks to upgrade. New owners are still going with the base model. The Pro, unless it sees a price drop to $349 or even $299, sales will stay stagnant compared to the more powerful One X.
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The Pro has been selling for 349,- for months now. And looking at Amazon it is indeed outselling the X1X at the moment. I can assure you during 2018 the amount of PS4Pros will rise far above the 5:1 ratio it had last year.
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The base price is still $400 and that's the price that it is in most stores right now, including Amazon. The only reason the sales ticked up was because of the price drop for the holidays.
If it's a chose between $400 console and the $299 1 TB version, most new buyers will go for the latter every time.
Pemalite said:
fatslob-:O said:
That may have used to be true in the past but now I'm not so sure anymore since there's nothing stopping their recent momentum. (industry on the verge of transitioning to EUV, Rambus reuniting with JEDEC(!) and higher demand than ever for higher performance DRAM) Before memory standards used to have a much lower turnover rate but currently their bringing out new memory standards faster than they did in the past. GDDR3 standard wasn't developed by JEDEC since they adopted it from ATi Technologies at the time, the specifications for the GDDR4 standard was released in 2006 by JEDEC, GDDR5 standard was released in 2007, GDDR5X standard was released in 2016 and the GDDR6 standard released a year after that. Consequently the original HBM standard was adopted in 2013, HBM 2 standard was finalized in 2016 but HBM 3 standard could get finalized by as early as the end of this year ...
The final DDR5 standard is about to be published this year too ...
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Well. GDDR5X protocol and interface training sequence are similar to those of the GDDR5, but adopts the 16n prefetch that GDDR6 is adopting.
We could say it is an extension of GDDR5 rather than something new, the name of the DRAM backs that up.
It mostly existed because GDDR6 was so late to the table, we needed an interim solution.
I'm just going to take a wait-and-see approach on GDDR7, if we get it before 2020 then great.
Errorist76 said:
That’s highly unrealistic to assume, just for the fact the new CPU will be much faster for sure. GPU will also be at least Vega based. The X1X doesn’t even use Vega features - the Pro does though.
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It will use AMD's next gen GPU architecture and not Vega which is a GPU architecture that released in 2017.
And I highly doubt they will even choose Navi, but it really depends how long AMD flogs that horse.
withdreday said:
But it proves that most PS4 owners don't deem it worth it to fork over 400 bucks to upgrade. New owners are still going with the base model. The Pro, unless it sees a price drop to $349 or even $299, sales will stay stagnant compared to the more powerful One X.
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The Pro isn't really offering a new experience.
withdreday said:
And didn't even know about GDDR6. In that case, I can't wait. As I stated though, don't expect to even hear about a PS5 until the PS4 hits 100 million which is easily doable at the end of this holiday season.
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Once the Playstation 4 hits market saturation and sales rate declines... Then Sony's incentive to release it's next-gen platform increases.
Microsoft and Nintendo also apply some additional competitive pressure.
Throwing out arbitrary numbers/claims like: "New PS5 when PS4 hits 100 mill sold" isn't really something I can adhere to.
withdreday said:
Remember when people said the no console would ever sell 100m again because of stupid mobile phones and tablets (which turned out to just be just a huge fad btw)? Aah, those were the days...
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I wasn't one of those people.
fatslob-:O said:
In terms of memory bandwidth, it's absolutely top notch and I don't wish for 4K, I wish for physically based dynamic global illumination ... (BW might become a severe bottleneck when doing ray traversal in ray tracing so I want this mitigated as soon as possible for next generation)
Also the difference is much larger than 50 GB/s. The fastest HBM 2 memory module can let us achieve rates as high as 1.25 TB/s on a 4096-bit bus width while the maximum a GDDR6 standard memory module can achieve on a 512-bit bus width will net 1 TB/s. GDDR6 has a massive 20% BW deficit compared to the fastest HBM 2 memory module ...
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GDDR6 is cheaper though for it's given capacity, which is why it will be leveraged for next-gen.
Unless GDDR7 is ramped up before then, but I have my doubts.
With that in mind... If AMD drives home the memory controller, I am sure they could push the bandwidth, AMD and nVidia pushed GDDR5 to it's absolute limits, power consumption be damned even.
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I'm not saying they'll launch right then. I'm just saying there's zero chance for it to be announced before the PS4 hits 100 million. It's sales suicide and it's pointless with the console at least being a year or 2 away.
And never said you were one of the silly ones saying that, but man was it hilarious watching them grasp for straws once the PS4 started selling like hotcakes. The most common excuse was "well, this is just the early adopters!" 74 million consoles later and they're nowhere to be found.
Classic.
