| CrazyGPU said: As long as they sell 2 to 3 times more consoles and have much better exclusives, I guess they will concentrate in a good lauch price regarding how much teraflops they loose in making that choise. After all they can sell a more powerfull PS5 pro to nerds like me that care about that shit. |
This is the funny thing..... the PS5 more than any sony console is in a better position to launch at $500 than say $400. Winning the 8th gen at a time digital distribution and paid PS+ with years worth of free games came into its own; pretty much ensures it. This will be a transition where (as long as the PS5 is BC) a bulk of the people that own a PS4 will buy the PS5. If nothing else to carry their existing libraries over.
Winning the 8th gen by as much as they have also allows them even take a $100 hit on selling cost of the PS5, so they could be selling a $485 console for $399 knowing fully well that they would make that money back from the consumer in less than 3 months.
But with how they started this gen, with the XB2 most likely also releasing in the same month or even worse a year later than the PS5, and it being the start of the new gen; power isn't an area they can afford to drop the ball on. Especially when achieving it boils down to a slightly better (more expensive)cooling solution.
| Trumpstyle said: I'm not ignoring xbox one x. Xbox one x proves my point. Microsoft had to go with a bigger chip and more expensive cooling to get those extra Flops. So if we assume 7nm will be able to double the Flops with same power consumption we will get 12 TF. But this require a bigger chip and more expensive cooling. How much improvement we will get from 7nm compared to 16nm we don't know exactly. TSMC (The chip manufacturer) has said 7nm brings about 60% power savings. But this is probably a bit optimistic. And I don't expect sony to go that route microsoft went with xbox one x. They wanna keep the power consumption at the same level and keep cost down. About Amd next architecture Navi, I'm not expecting much at all. Polaris was bad, Vega was a disaster and we already hearing Navi will be worst than Vega so don't expect much from Navi. |
No... you are looking at this from some strange perspective that I can't understand. Doesn't make sense.....
The OG XB1 APU had a chip size (with all of its 1.2TF GPU) of 368mm sq. The 16nm XB1X (with a 6TF GPU) has a chip size of 360mm sq. Its not only smaller than the OG XB1 but its drawing less power and generating less heat. The reason MS went with a more expensive cooling solution is cause they wanted to go for that super slim form factor. Hence its even smaller than the OG XB1 and the PS4pro.
If going from 16nm in the XB1x to 7nm in say the PS5, in the same 360mm sq area scenario above, hitting 12TF would be a walk in the park, and that is not even accounting for running at a higher clock than what the XB1X clock currrently is. And they dont have to go with better cooling. They can just have a bigger console (which is actually a form of better cooling) remember the XB1X is smaller than the PS4pro.
In truth, they will have room even after doubling the GPU from 44 computes units as found in the XB1X to 88CUs to also increase clock speeds by around 15-20% while still all being more thermally efficient than the XB1X. And what I have just said already guarantees well more than 12TF and they haven't even had to start getting creative yet.
I really don't know how else to say all this to you anymore.
