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Intrinsic on 17 February 2018
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withdreday said:

My prediction? The PS5 GPU will be beefy enough to run 4k at 30-60fps and thus won't launch until mid to late 2019 at it's earliest.

They almost have to with the PS4 Pro being so under powered compared to the Xbox One X. The One X is even out selling the Pro now, so most current owners don't even see the upgrade as being worth it. I tend to believe most of the rumors that the PS4 Pro will become the baseline PS4 and drop $299 the PS5 will be the "premium" console.

As far as Ram, Maybe 16 Gigs of DDR5? Remember this thing has to be able to be priced at Sony's ideal price point of $399. I can't imagine that they want another PS3...

The 1X isn't selling better because of how much more powerful it is. Its selling better because more owners of the XB1s can justify the upgrade considering how bad the base XB1 is and because the PS4s is still considered by many as good enough whereas the Pro is just looked at as a bonus. The PS4 pro will never become the baseline console (especially when comparing it to the PS5). 

And your comment on Ram, i think its worth pointing out that the PS4 back in 2013 was one of the first mass produced hardwares to even get 4Gb Ram modules allowing them to hit 8GBusing 16 of such modules. And yet they still hit that $399 price point. As of january this year, 16Gb GDDR6 (2GB) modules are in production. By next year you probably wouldnt see any GDDR5 ram being made anymore as fabricators shift their focus to the newer and more efficient Ram... oh and as demand for said ram increases too. By the time the PS5 releases,it would cost less for them to put in 16GB of GDDR6 ram than it did putting 8GB of GDDR5 ram in the PS4 back in 2013.

Pemalite said: 

 

Intrinsic said:

STORAGE: I believe the PS5 (and next Xbox) will finally jump to solid state drives. And of the M.2 variety. While the consoles will support PCIEx4 based nvMe drives by default (~2000Mb/s + reads) the consoles will come with a 1TB sata 3 based m.2 drive instead (~500Mb/s reads). Right now you can get a 512GB M.2 sata ssd for under $150.

Thats not what it would cost for sony and those prices will come down in the next 2/3yrs. Drives will be user upgradeable of course.

1. They will go with whatever is cheapest. - Even the Xbox One X isn't using the biggest, fastest mechanical disks and that was a "premium" console.

SSD's/m.2 drives still command a premium and will do so even in a few years from now.
Plus the demand for NAND is increasing, so costs could actually increase, especially if NAND fabs retool to start taking advantage of higher DRAM prices.


2. It will be GDDR6, it will be what will offer the greatest benefits, higher capacities and good enough bandwidth/latency.
GDDR6 is currently ramping up production right now, so costs will be leveled out by the time 2020 hits.
 

  1. I think with regard to this they simply can't afford to do that. Whatever is cheapest (especially if thats a mechanical drive) will not be ideal for next gen. Especially if the amount of system ram increases. Just imagine right now it takes over a minute to load up some games... how long do you think it will take when those games go up from using 5GB to say 16GB of ram? 6 minute loading screens? Also, we are talking about the next 6-8 years after release too. I doubt they would wanna build in such a massive bottleneck in 2020 and hope its ok till 2026/2028..... I also don't think that a sata m.2 drive will command the kinda premium you think it will by 2020. I'm not saying sony/MS will throw in an m.2 nvme drive, no.. they will just use the interface but ship the boxes with the cheapest sata based m.2 drive the market can muster. Still significantly better performance than a mechanical drive and ensures future proofing.

  2. I completely agree. But I think ur underselling the bandwidth part. If they go with 16GB of GDDR6 they will hit bandwidths of over 550GB/s with a 256bit bus. And if they go with 24GB then that will go up to around 800GB/s+ on a 384bit bus. Thats nothing to scoff at for consoles that will for the most part be targeting 30fps 4k gaming.
KBG29 said:

I do believe it is time to talk about new PlayStation hardware, but I don't know if PS5 is where the focus should be.

Next gen should be based on technology and/or the market, not time. Looking forward I don't see technology that can deliver a justifiable next gen console, in the $400 - $500 price range by 2020. On the market side PS4 is still selling extremely well, it may not even have peaked yet. I don't think it would be wise to put out an underimpressive unit with the PS5 name just for the sake of maintaining the traditional console pace. 

I believe Sony should continue to keep the PS4 fresh a few more years. Keep updates coming to firmware, and give it one more upgrade to keep it strong against consoles, PC, streamers, cable boxes, etc., and then unleash PS5 with HBM and M.2 NVMe, which will be the most vital in creating the next baseline. Right now we are restricted by current RAM, and even more so by decades out dated mechanical HDD's. These would only be bottle necks to any new device deliverd in 2019 - 2020.

GDDR6 is good enough. The benefits of HBM2 compared to GDDR6 doesn't offset the much higher costs of HBM2. best HBM2 is around 901GB/s of bandwidth while the best GDDR6 is around 864GB/s. And we will not see those consoles come with an M.2 nvme SSD. But my money is on the interface being there. So we will use an m.2 slot that supports nvme drives but will come shipped with a sata based drive. Probably 1TB of it. But the option will always be there for the users to throw in an nvme drive.