Prediction: PS5 will have the longest lifecicle of any PS console

[CrazyGPU]

8 - CrazyGPU said:
Its getting more time and its harder to make smaller transistor fabrication processes. And because of Quantum Mecanic laws, the performance gains they are getting are also smaller. So it will take a really long time to get to let say 3 nm and really really expensive. If the way of making processors doesn´t change, there is going to be a wall soon.

Permalite said:
DRAM/NAND have taken note of this. So instead of going smaller, they went taller.

More exotic materials like Carbon nanotubes and using triple/quad-druple patterning will go a ways to get us to smaller geometry sizes.



CrazyGPU said:
That what I said, way of making processors have to change, We´ll see if its carbon nanotubes or some other stuff. But it will take time

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9- CrazyGPU said:
Even Nintendo said that getting into HD was way more expensive than developing for SD.

Permalite said:
That's just simplified rhetoric. Building a game for SD or HD costs exactly the same, the PC you can take any old game and drive it's resolution from 480P all the way to 8k, it's just a resolution change often exposed by a configuration file if it's not listed in the games settings.

It's building the assets that look great at higher definition that costs.


CrazyGPU said:
Developers make new assets for higher resolution because they need them to look better.
As you said, so cost goes up.

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10 - CrazyGPU said:
FOR A PS6 TO HAVE A REASON TO EXIST , it should be a 8k console. Even at 8k we´ll have diminishing returns in graphics.

Permalite said:
Why should 8k be a requirement for the Playstation 6?


CrazyGPU said:
Why shouldn´t? what would people justify buying a PS6 at the same resolution? If your answer is ultra quality graphics at 4k, then the console would be able to reach 8k medium quality. As now with many ps4 pro games. Let say Shadow of the colossus. 4k 30 fps or dynamic at 60, I guess, 2k. Tomb Raider. 4k Checkboard or 1080 high quality settings. Other stuff like better cpus or ram doesn´t consume much power, so they are not a constrain for making a better machine. 8000 series I7 consume arround 80W. Nothing compared to a 250 W high end graphic card. And again Companies sell what you see, That´s one of the reasons why is so hard to sell VR. You have 2 millon VR sold and 74 millon ps4s.

11 - CrazyGPU said:
Of course I can be wrong, but for that companies need to change the way they make CPUs and GPUs to get better performance faster or there has to be a VR fever so high that millons of people pay more for beast consoles and companies fight for 4k on each eye at 90 fps. Not there yet.


Permalite said:
There is a focus on efficiency right now, not brute force with graphics. Consoles are simply at the mercy of the PC's development cadence on this front.



12 - CrazyGPU said:
There also can be a new console with the same resolution, but would it make sense?

Permalite said:
Sure it would make sense. More to graphics than resolution.



CrazyGPU said:
I agree with you. Full HD films look much better than today 4k gaming. but you know, the number sells...
It would make sense for us, not for Sony or Msft marketing department. They would go for 8k. Also a 4k with awesome ultra graphics will be capable of 8k medium quality graphics. If they reach the number,they are going to market it.



Nice posts Permalite. I think that even your idea of better graphics , let say at 4k 60 fps ultra quality, would have the same hardware demand or even more than 8K if you want a generational leap than 8K gaming mantaining PS4 quality (Im not talking about 8k tetris here). And that in order to be in a console power envelope and at reasonable console prices, It would take many years. Thats one of the reasons why I think PS5 wil have the longest lifecicle. That doesn´t mean that sony can´t lauch PS5 pro, PS5 ultra, and PS5 ultimate, upgrading the cash making machinery before PS6 hehehe.

I hope Im wrong and they change the way they make processors, that would make the premium next gen 4k graphics or 8k requirements come closer, but I doubt it for PS6. And besides that in 20 years we´ll probably have streaming gaming all over the place. I will miss old times then.