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Paperboy_J said:
We're here, so it's reasonable to assume there's a reason for it. It annoys me so much when people say, "I can't see God therefore he doesn't exist." You don't have to SEE everything with your own eyes to put 2 and 2 together. When you see an airplane flying above you, do you assume there's no pilot just because you can't see him from your current perspective?

No, you automatically KNOW there's a pilot because without a pilot, the plane could not fly.

I know plenty of atheists, and I've never heard one say "I can't see god, therefore he doesn't exist".  I've never heard that, except as a strawman argument.

What I have seen many atheists say is that they don't believe in god, because there is no evidence.

Ignoring for the moment that plans actually can fly without pilots (they're called drones), we have experience with planes.  We have likely seen planes before, or read about them.  In all the accounts we've seen or heard, there has always been a pilot.  We can further ask airlines how they operate, read legal documents, contracts, and so on so forth.  We can learn about the design of aircrafts from their inception to the current day and would discover a need for pilots.  We can talk to some pilots, meet them, discuss their craft with them.  We can visit a pilot school.  We can try and become pilots if we so choose.  We have a huge body of evidence to support the idea that planes need pilots.

When it comes to a universe creating being, we have no such evidence.  We have no other universes to compare this one too.  We have no idea what a god created universe would look like vs a non-god created universe.  We know little to nothing about the mechanisms by which a universe can be created, or even if universes can be created, so we have no idea whether a being is or could be involved.  We have no evidence to suggest god can or does exist, and until we do, there is no good reason to believe that it does.