The Xenoblade Chronicles Series Thread: Definitive Edition (All Spoilers in Tags)

[Peh]

Nuvendil said:

Peh said:

A processor is not a computer.

Also, Ontos would have a core crystal like Pyra and Malos. Alvis doesn't have one.

Alvis said ( I have to check on this) that his family was serving the high entia, because of their foresight features. He was born into the family. So, he didn't lived as long as Mythra and Malos.

It starts to not making much sense...

 

Nevertheless, as I said, if Alvis would be Ontos, Klaus would be aware of his positwuion.  

 

1) That is splitting hairs.  Also, it technically is by the black letter definition.

2)  Alvis can easily conceal his core, he has god level powers in the parallel universe.  Which btw, Pneuma has similar abilities.  Also, The Xenoblade 1 universe appears to have been a sort of blank dimension, a clean slate, that Alvis along with Zanza and Meyneth (using Alvis's power, the power of the Conduit) shaped.  Hence why he would be so all powerful there.  He even references he came from that exact same station.  

3) Alvis lied.  I would think that was quite obvious when he was revealed to be part of the "Trinity", an alliance of characters centuries if not millennia old.

4) Klaus has profoundly limited perception of the parallel universes, he can only make out the state of his other self.

And Klaus did. not. recreate the Trinity Processor.  He even references the fact it was built by a group of people when he speaks with Malos and mentions his name, Logos.  Both it and the state are original.   

In short, he is Ontos.  You're overcomplicating what is ultimately a very straight forward and clear reference.

You actually support my point without realizing it.  

2) "Also, The Xenoblade 1 universe appears to have been a sort of blank dimension, a clean slate, that Alvis along with Zanza and Meyneth (using Alvis's power, the power of the Conduit) shaped.  Hence why he would be so all powerful there.  He even references he came from that exact same station."

So, you agree with me, that Alvis was there from the beginning. Hence, he even says this in the game. Meaning -> Alvis existed before the new universe, hence why he says he was an administrative computer in that facility. So all three: Meyneth, half of Klaus body (Zanza) and the AI Alvis went into the new universe.  There were their from the start. Do you agree? 

3) "Alvis lied.  I would think that was quite obvious when he was revealed to be part of the "Trinity", an alliance of characters centuries if not millennia old."

You made a claim here. So, I ask for proof that Alvis indeed lied and also that "Alvis" was part of the "Trinity". 

4) "Klaus has profoundly limited perception of the parallel universes, he can only make out the state of his other self."

That's not exactly correct. He was aware of the end of Zanza, thus that Shulk will have the upper hand and Alvis turns against him. Why not being as confident as Zanza by having both Monados. How could anyone loose the fight? 

"And Klaus did. not. recreate the Trinity Processor.  He even references the fact it was built by a group of people when he speaks with Malos and mentions his name, Logos.  Both it and the state are original. " 

Source? This is where I am referencing the recreation: https://youtu.be/RzcoSAnpny0?t=2058

He created a substance to rebuild the world he has destroyed. Take a note here, that this has been all done after the new universe was created. Next step was creating life. It took, as Klaus said, a time of untold millennia -> Evolution. After the new breed of life was there he didn't trusted the world. Thus he created the final measurement I already said in a previous post. He created the Blades. 

https://youtu.be/RzcoSAnpny0?t=2177

You can see him standing there with his other half being in the other universe. Alvis was already in that universe with Zanza. Ontos was still in the one where Klaus is. And THEN Ontos left the universe for good!

"In short, he is Ontos.  You're overcomplicating what is ultimately a very straight forward and clear reference."

Please restrain yourself from such comments. As I listed above, there are inconsistencies which make me believe that Alvis and Ontos are not the same person. If you got better arguments saying otherwise, let me hear it. So far, you are not convincing.