What is Liberty?

[palou]

Aeolus451 said:

palou said:

So, you *do* actually agree that liberty is *not* an axiomatical value, but rather a tool we use to obtain a result of greater happiness? 

Well, liberty can't be axiomatic if some people can't see it's value to everyone. If a country values liberty and upholds it, its people will be happier and better off for it.

Why not directly value happiness, instead? It seems more logical to me to derive the tools from the wanted result, rather than the other way round.