What is Liberty?

[palou]

Aeolus451 said:

palou said:

If you require those specific discriminants, the concept of liberty isn't a very useful one, then, is it? Doesn't give any new incite on how to treat morality, since we're still going on a case-by-case basis - no progress from just saying "this good" , "this bad" without further explanation.

Also, what is violence? If we define it as anything that causes harm to another, that can be VERY broad. If we don't... again, more discriminants, more arbitrary lines to be drawn.

Basic common sense laws aren't antithetical to liberty. It's about having the most personal freedom you can within society but again within reason. It's very useful as a basis for a society because it protects the personal freedom of the individual against the whims of the collective and people are ultimately happier/better off for it. I would love it if SJWs and some religious people would adopt liberty as a basis of their beliefs, we'd be better off. 

 

So, you *do* actually agree that liberty is *not* an axiomatical value, but rather a tool we use to obtain a result of greater happiness?