What is Liberty?

[palou]

Aeolus451 said:

palou said:

Ah, so you say nulber 2. What makes something oppressive, then? What defines within reason?

Limiting free expression/speech beyond threatening/encouraging violence is oppressive. 

Within reason as in common sense laws like don't murder, steal or rape others or destroy other's property.

If you require those specific discriminants, the concept of liberty isn't a very useful one, then, is it? Doesn't give any new incite on how to treat morality, since we're still going on a case-by-case basis - no progress from just saying "this good" , "this bad" without further explanation.

Also, what is violence? If we define it as anything that causes harm to another, that can be VERY broad. If we don't... again, more discriminants, more arbitrary lines to be drawn.