What is "socialism"? - An attempt to clear up myths/misconceptions

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Leadified said:

o_O.Q said:

"Ah, good old "not real capitalism"."

with regards to what? be specific because honestly i'm lost now

we went from talking about hitler's socialist policies (which you have not addressed btw) to talking about... well honestly i'm lost now

 

"Using your logic, Mr. Dawkins. That means we're all socialists"

that what? americans are all socialists? what are you talking about? please state clearly what i've posted that means we're all socialists

 

" Capitalism is not an ideology, it's a mode of production."

when did i claim that its an ideology? this what i stated about capitalism

"capitalism on the other hand is about leaving people to run their business with minimal or no government intervention"

 

" Of course it means something, you don't align with someone that you completely disagree with lmao."

i'm going to assume this is about your laim that hitler was allied with right wingers

...ok so what about his many socialist policies?

which is more important in determining his stance? his actions and policies or who he claims to be allies with?

something i'm really curious about btw is are you in denial that him seizing various private businesses is a socialist measure?

 

"How about you put down your dictionary and read some socialist literature, maybe you'll learn a bit about what socialists believe."

i have... i've gone all the way back to the origins of the word "liberal" which no one talks about now lol and i'm sure you don't know... since if you did you wouldn't be advocating for this ideology but this a digression are you giving up on talking about hitler's socialist policies?

 

is this like some kind of cop out now or something? lol if so its amusing thank you 

You're hilarious, dude. I am greatly amused by your posts.

First go back and read my post, I already debunked your post: Yes and HOT DOGS are also made out of real dogs! Maybe you don't live in a first world country but surprise, we do all of the things you listed here.

YOU equated social security with socialism when you listed Hitler's "socialist policies", somehow you didn't realise that most of those policies are also implemented in practically ever developed country today. Whoops! I thought you were trying to debunk socialism here?

Your definition of capitalism is a fantasy, it doesn't work like that in the real world, and it never did.

Are you in denial about Hitler privatizing the economy?

Nice, which socialist literature did you read? Let us all know, I eagerly await to see.

 

"Maybe you don't live in a first world country but surprise, we do all of the things you listed here."

 

yeah i shouldn't have agreed with this entirely before that was my mistake, its just that these discussions have been so ridiculous that at some point it'd inevitable that i'd miss something anyway

 

using america as an example

in terms of healthcare have you missed the recent debates on that? (socialists have been advocating for socialised healthcare)

in terms of education i suppose you have a point there

in terms of putting everyone to work... that's not a policy america has (again socialists have been advocating for this)

gun control... again this not a policy (and again socialists have been advocating for this)

abortion... well yeah you have a point there

blaming all of the ills of society on the rich... well you know i'm sure you can see the pattern by now

 

"YOU equated social security with socialism when you listed Hitler's "socialist policies", somehow you didn't realise that most of those policies are also implemented in practically ever developed country today."

most countries have been going down a socialist path... and your point is? did i ever deny that? 

"Your definition of capitalism is a fantasy, it doesn't work like that in the real world, and it never did."

its ideal capitalism but yes it doesn't work like that because the social needs of the community exert some degree of control on how businesses operate and didn't say otherwise

as i said before what actually happens is that there is some compromise between both capitalism and socialism although many times thoughtout history things have tilted too far to the socialist end and resulted in situations like hitler's germany and soviet russia

 

"Are you in denial about Hitler privatizing the economy?"

how did hitler guarantee jobs for everyone in germany if the economy was privitised?

 

"Nice, which socialist literature did you read? Let us all know, I eagerly await to see."

i've studied the history of the jacobins and the illuminists all the way back to the knights templar... as i've said i'm sure i know more about the history of these ideas than you do but that's irrelevant