What is "socialism"? - An attempt to clear up myths/misconceptions

[o_O.Q]

Leadified said:

o_O.Q said:

 

"Ah yes, Nazi Germany. Well known for it's capitalist socialist policies"

yes but first off the term "NAZI" means NATIONAL SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY

now onto his socialist policies:

 

Employment for All

"As Fuhrer, Hitler’s first priority was jobs, or the lack of them. German unemployment had peaked at 6 million due to the Depression devastating the economy. With innovative public works schemes such as the building of autobahns, Hitler put every German back to work. He also advocated schemes such as KdF – Strength Through Joy – which gave workers increased benefits for increased levels of production."

 

mandatory public education

"When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately established child care centers. You could take your children ages 4 weeks to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, 7 days a week, under the total care of the government. The state raised a whole generation of children."

 

Nationalized Healthcare

"After Hitler’s health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. "

 

Gun Control 

Abortion

and of course we couldn't leave out blaming the ills of society on the wealthiest members of society (the jews)

 

with regards to your points firsts off

 

"banning all independent trade unions"

 

you do understand that this is a socialist action right? capitalism encourages the setting up of independent institutions, socialism and communism due to their reliance on the government to put policies in place for everyone would be where we would expect independent institutions to be banned

 

"s like widespread privatization of sectors like mining, banking, railways, public utilities, transportation"

 

um since the nazi regime was totalitarian this is interesting, can you identify the entities within germany at the time that owned these sectors?

 

" Also some very friendly socialist political measures like imprisoning, executing socialists, communists"

 

yeah socialists and communists aren't very loyal to their own... that's no surprise to me might have a lot to do with their ideology being completely logically incoherent

 

"and aligning with the Germany right."

 your link didn't work but i hope you aren't down the ridiculous line of calling hitler a christian?

hitler was an occultist who worshiped the sun and man(the aryan race)

the swastika is itself a symbol which represents the sun

Yes and HOT DOGS are also made out of real dogs! Maybe you don't live in a first world country but surprise, we do all of the things you listed here. Y-yeah socialists support trade unions which is why they also want to ban them (?).

Ah nice admission that you didn't read my link about privatization of the Nazi German economy, give it a read why don't you? Then you can answer your own question.

Or maybe it's because Nazis and Communists hate each other, not like they had a big war about it or anything, maybe that would make a little too much sense.

Link was a book about an alliance of the DNVP and the Nazis. The DNVP were a party of reactionary conservatives, obviously the natural ally of socialists. /s

"we do all of the things you listed here."

yes... because america is not a completely capitalist society.. despite what socialist claim... america has a combination socialist and capitalist policies which i would think is actually desirable... giving those who want to excel the space to do so while still maintaining to some degree a safety net for those who aren't well off

 

"Y-yeah socialists support trade unions which is why they also want to ban them (?)."

and how did they ban them? through government intervention right?

 

"Ah nice admission that you didn't read my link about privatization of the Nazi German economy, give it a read why don't you?"

the point i was trying to make is that these sectors were handed over to supporters of the nazi party through the government

and that's the problem with giving all of your rights away because some socialist or communist guarantees that they'll set things right as was the case in germany

 

"Or maybe it's because Nazis and Communists hate each other"

they did.... and your point is what? that this means that the nazis weren't socialist? despite all of the socialist policies i listed and you unintentionally listed?

to reiterate government control over services is socialist in nature

"a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

this means that when the government seized the steel works for example, that was a socialist action living up to their name

despite what you may claim the government has always been how the community chooses to regulate things.. that's why there's a vote

capitalism on the other hand is about leaving people to run their business with minimal or no government intervention

 

"Link was a book about an alliance of the DNVP and the Nazis. The DNVP were a party of reactionary conservatives, obviously the natural ally of socialists."

this really means nothing when you actually consider what his actions were and that's all that's really important