sc94597 on 05 February 2018
| Puppyroach said: A very good description of what classical socialism is. I don´t really agree that it can´t co-exist with capitalism unless you refer to a model where democracy is replaced with something else and only one ideology governs society? Because we don´t have a capitalistic or a socialistic or a liberal or a conservative system in society; we have a democratic system in many countries that incorporates influences from all types of ideologies (and religions). Just because we don´t have a socialistic society, it doesn´t mean socialistic influences are nonexistent. Could a socialistic society form under a democratic system? No, humanity as a species is far to complicated to agree on one ideology for the entire society and I am also pretty sure that we are a hierarchic species that strive to create flocks on both a smaller scale (workplace, sports teams) and on a large scale (governments, municipalities) with clear leaders and a hierarchic structure. Socialism would have a hard time deconstruting our very nature that has formed society. |
A few things:
1. Most socialists reject that what passes as democracy in liberal democracies is all that democratic.
2. There are fundamental protections in liberal societies against democracy which are indeed ideological.
3. In most of human history people didn't organize into hierarchies. It was only with the first agricultural revolution that hierarchies developed and after they peaked (in slave societies) they started to devolve into more and more egalitarian societies over the long term: slave societies -> feudal societies -> short period of absolutism -> liberal democracies.
Humans aren't bees. We are able to modify the social organizations we live in because we have the ability to learn and adapt as individuals.
