What is "socialism"? - An attempt to clear up myths/misconceptions

[DonFerrari]

ArchangelMadzz said:

DonFerrari said:

I'm acting like if government were smaller the taxes would be less.

The point is the government shouldn't be taking your money to offer you a service unless you request the service and accept the costs, just like you do to any private corporation.

The government isn't a private corporation.

The government has responsibility for the well-being of it's citizens. Unless you want to pay for the Police, fire service and the army, I don't see how that's different to their responsibility to provide a health service as part of that well-being.

The governemtn isn't I agree. And the coercion of taking your money against your will to provide an inefficient service that you may not have required with exaggerated costs on the service and overhead... that is a big problem.

And yes as a minarquist Police, Army, Fire Department, roads, legal system and other very basic services I agree to have the government. All else that are necessary on occasion I don't see the need for government to take my money against my will.

VGPolyglot said:

DonFerrari said:

Some hard number that wasn't hard to find https://www.ebay.com/itm/2004-Saturn-Vue/323034555322?hash=item4b365c23ba:g:GCoAAOSws0JaZh5C&vxp=mtr

You call it survivor Bias, I call it depending on oneself instead of others. Lottery is random, effort isn't. But you may keep your world view if you so much prefer, while I'll keep looking at people that prefer short term gratification and when you look deeper have very expensive luxury but doesn't cover their basics because they will wait the government to do it.

Yeah, I could also show examples on Pornhub of a guy having sex with 20 girls, that doesn't mean that everyone will be able to re-create that scenario. There are only a finite number of cars, if $19,000 is the average then the number of $500 cars would be very small in proportion to the number of cars out there. And capitalism requires reliance on others, the owners extract the surplus from the labour of their worker.

If someone have about 1k Usd (or even less) in Brazil he can have sex with 20 girls, your point?

Nope man, considering 10k is the average for entry cars 0km, and that there are 40 years of used cars behind it, even though it is finite (as are the new cars) it isn't as scarce as it being impossible for someone to decide not to buy a new car, save the money and start his business.

Nope, your vision of exploitation view the owner taking the surplus from workers.

Cubedramirez said:
The purpose for government is to repeal illegitimate force against the nation and citizens. They are supposed to accomplish this through the legal system and our national defense forces.

Socialism robs the very spirit of the very citizens any society needs to thrive. Socialist believe everyone to be equal; utter nonsense. Unique men and women drive society, not the masses who are afraid to take risk or follow through with what is required to achieve success. They create a society where the only true motivation is held in political power.

Capitalism is the only true system that embraces the inner spirit of human beings and motivates otherwise lower tier people to achieve greatness. Let it be known the human experience has grown and achieved more in the time since the implementation of capitalism than any other point in our existence. And the people fighting against it at doing so with the tools provided by products and services that would never have existed with the animal spirits driving men and women to achieve personal gain; the foundation of capitalism.

Very well summarized.