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Vincoletto said:
The most important thing in this discussion is make people believe or accept that all prior failed attepmts such ad ussr, north korea, cuba, venezuela etc were not actually socialist. Therefore they cannot be used as examples of failure which opens the opportunity to convince people to try it again. This time as real socialism. This time I guarantee will work. If fail we find some excuse or blame america.

If we only just give it a chance just one more time it might work! The 1000th time is the charm! /s

 

Yes exactly this, you could name off dozens of attempts at creating a socialist / communist society in all parts of the world, at different times, different cultures all trying their hardest and they will still say none of them were the "real" socialists.