What is "socialism"? - An attempt to clear up myths/misconceptions

[DonFerrari]

VGPolyglot said:

DonFerrari said:

Do you need examples from people that were homeless or waiters and became billionaire to evidence that capacity and planning can be made without having millions prior to the business?

And considering the owner themselves get 5-30% of the capital invested on the company then the sum of the wages of all the employees would make it possible for they to collect together and start their business if they had the prowess?

The truth is people prefer to be tended to and decisions made to them, so they rather have a salary to count on than to provide to themselves and risk.

Do you know what survivor-ship bias is? Just seeing that a very small number of people have succeeded ignores all the failures. If you saw the number of homeless people that became billionaires as you say, how many others have tried and failed?

Many have tried and failed, the point of showing that even homeless have achieved billion dollars worth is to point out that what make the workers not entrepreneurs isn't the lack of money. There are a lot of well paid employees that prefer to work for someone for a "certainty" of revenue than to open their own business and take the risk.

Leadified said:

DonFerrari said:

I didn't say I believe it to be the end of history, but I'm pretty certain socialism and any other system that try to be anti-natural will work.

Then there is no irony. The fedualists said the same thing about capitalism, there was heavy resistance to rationalism in Europe and the church and aristocrats feared the bourgeoisie. Certain extreme reactionary ideologies such as fascism continue to preach about how unnatural capitalism is and how it has lead to the degeneration of man. 

You are a funny person. So please enlighten me on what society, animal or anything do socialism works as promised and when did you see humans in majority willing to work all for the same result independent of the work done... several independent trials of socialism have gone wrong due to the accommodation and exploration of laid back individuals.