What is "socialism"? - An attempt to clear up myths/misconceptions

[DonFerrari]

VGPolyglot said:

DonFerrari said:

And what is in the way for they to create their own workplace and establish their cooperative? Because if cooperation is such a great tool, they together putting their money and starting their company should work right???? Or it can only work by taking by force what others made before?

What money? The reason they have to sell their labour in the first place is because they don't have the capital to provide for themselves.

Do you need examples from people that were homeless or waiters and became billionaire to evidence that capacity and planning can be made without having millions prior to the business?

And considering the owner themselves get 5-30% of the capital invested on the company then the sum of the wages of all the employees would make it possible for they to collect together and start their business if they had the prowess?

The truth is people prefer to be tended to and decisions made to them, so they rather have a salary to count on than to provide to themselves and risk.

Leadified said:

DonFerrari said:

Nope man, the true irony comes from society advancing and well being progressing due to capitalism, which you can see and measure on the last 200 years, while what we have seen from the socialist experiments aren't pretty.

I'd like to know why you believe capitalism to be the end of history.

I didn't say I believe it to be the end of history, but I'm pretty certain socialism and any other system that try to be anti-natural will work.