AngryLittleAlchemist said:
"Oh boy. I seem to have royally pissed you off. It was honestly not my intention." Uh not really, I don't think my comment sounds pissed off at all. It's ok. "I think you should probably reread my comment as well, because you seem to have already had a conversation with me in your head and decided how it went." What? I'm literally replying to your exact wording. This seems like a very lazy "it's actually the opposite way around!" logic, but whatever, I could be wrong, maybe you're right. "No, aside from the thing I literally already said in my comment," Literally ALL my replies are of things you literally said, and they're not interpretations. Maybe over-explanations, but that's just because I don't want to get a reply of derivative arguments that I could nip in the butt before hand. "I was not going to say any of those things because I'm not interested in childish fanwars" Well, I mean, you are the one that said I was playing "good guy EA", which is a pretty childish fanwar simplification to make. But neither am I, so i'm glad we could agree. "My 'naive' comment was in regards to 'bioware ruins their franchises', wich EA certainly had a hand in especially in Andromedas case. And yes, I was using hyperbole to accentuate the point, wich I'm sure you understood so no need to be so offended at it." I'm not offended by it. See, this is the problem with internet arguments. People always deflect responsibility for claims by saying "it's just the internet, don't get offended". I'm not offended, I just think the statements are irritating in that they're dishonest. I said bioware ruins their franchises, sure, but every other line shows that I give credibility to EA when they fuck up. Because surely it's a toxic dynamic, but the developer is as fault as well as the publisher. Not offended, just slightly annoyed. "You seemed to me to be sour on Bioware for some reason and excusing EA for being a bad publisher in favor of blaming them, when to me it is pretty clear that they've been pushed at least into their current situation by EA, when they were on a good track." Well, that was a very odd interpretation to make right off the bat. Nothing in my comment even implies that. I like Bioware, although mostly just Dragon Age Origins, but still. I think you would either have to be really defensive of a company in order to make that kind of conclusion, or you'd have to be really fixated on one narrative. I don't know though, maybe it's just a genuine misunderstanding. I'm just talking about how the markets received their recent projects, not my own personal feelings on the projects. In fact, let me go out on a limb to say something that might "discredit" my argument : I haven't even played their recent games. Like you, I'm making a point based on market reception and the fact that they're the developers of those badly received games. I'm sure some people will say that instantly makes me an ar-tard or makes my argument wrong, I don't see why though, I'm clearly talking from a generalized perspective of the opinions of the market and I don't see why you could defend a game without having played it but can't criticize it using the same lack of experience. I'm not even saying Andromeda or DA2 or The Old Republic are definitively bad, maybe they're underrated masterpieces and I just need to play them. But from what the general public seems to think, they are pretty poor games and honestly after four strikes, I'm thinking it's a little more complicated than a two letter word explanation. Oh, I did play Mass Effect 3, though. That game was meh. Not bad but pretty mediocre. "Look, I did not want to get into a fight, but you gave me an edgy comment and I answered in fashion, wich on reflection maybe I shouldn't have done. I'm honestly sorry if I somehow offended you that was not my intention. I was just honestly puzzled by your initial comment and its mode of delivery." Oh I never considered it fighting, I considered it debating with a few too many personal conclusions made. Honestly though, my comment isn't edgy, at all. Like literally, I worded it just to make sure it seemed like genuine constructive speculation about the company. I even used open ended wording to make sure it didn't look like I was some asshole troll hating on Bioware( "But so much of Bioware's controversy are things that may or may not be the fault of the publisher. I have a very hard time believing that all of it, or even a majority of it, is EA's fault", and "It's open to interpretation") . This makes me think that the only reason it was "edgy" was because it was an opinion not previously expressed. If the norm is to instantly blame the publishers for everything, than it must be "edgy" to "hate" on Bioware. No, i'm simply saying they have a part in their failure, arguably a pretty big part. I should say that I do think a lot of the fault or even most of it is on EA(I keep flopping on "majority" because we genuinely don't know and probably never will). But I'm not going to say it's just EA. Honestly, I never got into Bioware's franchises enough to have a genuine "grudge" against them anyways. If you want to see a disenfranchised fan who has a grudge against them, look up Rich Evans. lol. This is why I tried not to argue for a few weeks. This site ... man ... it can never be simple |
Uff - I was referring to this with the comment in regards how you seemed to have already decided my replies.:
I'm talking about Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age 2, The Old Republic, Mass Effect Andromeda. You know ... a huge majority of their catalog since 2011? I'm sure your reply will be "but but metacritic reviews!" or "but people liked ME3 just not the ending!" - let's be honest, critic scores have almost never mattered and that's a silly metric. All those games got massive backlash for various reasons, The Old Republic was considered pretty damn mediocre or even disliked when it launched, Andromeda was hated, Dragon Age 2 was hated, Mass Effect 3 I think by in large has gotten MORE dis-favorable as time goes on and more fans seem to not enjoy it's more action oriented approach. That's up for debate, but what's not up for debate is that as a whole - meaning the market opinion - these games were at best considered divisive and mediocre and at worst considered terrible. Not a great track record. And if your reply to that is "Well, that's just like not fair! Only two of those were recieved absolutely terribly!" Well ok, the defense that Bioware is still a good developer literally relies on one game ...
It had nothing to do with lazy, or 'it was the other way around'. I was quite honestly asking you to reread it and maybe consider the additional context I tried to give you with my next comment, but nevermind, it was a misunderstanding.
And with 'the thing I already said' I was referring to: "but people liked ME3 just not the ending!", because even though I didn't phrase it that way, that's essentially what I said in my initial reply to you.
I had no intention of being either deflective or dishonest. I told you that is the way your comment came off to me. If that is not the way you intended you comment to sound, or I read it wrong, thats fine. That first sentence sounded pretty brash to me and colored the way I read the rest of the comment, probably wrongly. I did not consider the rest of your comment carefully contructed, because your first sentence wasn't. Not sure if I'm expressing this right, but basically because of the opening sentence, the rest of the comment came of way diffrent to me than you intended.
And if you dont consider your first sentence brash and think I'm wierd for thinking it is, well, I can't really help that, I can just tell you how I percieved it. *shrugs*
One thing I can assure you of though, is that despite how it might have come off to you, I don't have some pre-fixed narrative or defense mechanism of bioware going on. I already told you I'm personally pretty neutral of them as a company. And haven't even played the majority of their games. I really fail to see how I came off as if I have some agenda going on here, but apparently I did to you. The only agenda I do have, and I'd rather call it an opinion is: 'I don't like EAs business practices and consider them harmful to the industry.'
Maybe you're right and bioware not only had their part (aside from selling out to EA in the first place) in their decline, but the majority of it, but that is not how it seemed to me when I wrote my initial comment in this thread.
I was more going off of what I percieved to be the general consensus on these games. Hence my initial confusion at your comment. But our perceptions of the general consensus seem to be very diffrent. Maybe I'm just undereducated on the topic. I thought I wasn't, but seeing the discrepancy I probably am.
But seeing that you don't get how I possibly could get your comment this wrong, and I don't get how you could possibly deduct what you did from mine. We're obviously both not getting the other right now...:/
All I can say is, no harm was meant.
