Global Hardware 23 December 2017

[Biggerboat1]

DonFerrari said:

Biggerboat1 said:

The thing is, when you talk about Nintendo games, you're talking about games from many different teams & studios. 

Mario / Zelda / Pikmin / F-Zero / Xenobade / Starfox / Metroid Prime / Fire Emblem / Pokemon / Animal Crossing / Smash Bros / Mario Kart / DKC / Splatoon / etc. span a wide variety of genres, art-styles and 'feel' - so there is no single 'style' to be drawn to or put off by...

I simply don't buy that there's some common thread running through all of these games that can be identified and viewed negatively...

I can buy the the scenario that some gamers on other systems take the lazy approach and just assume everything on a Nintendo system is a variation on Mario and that they all look 'kiddie', which simply isn't the case...

If you want story then zelda, xenoblade, the next metroid prime, when it arrives - all have a shot at scratching that itch.

I like some Nintendo games and some aren't for me and I believe that this would be the case for 99% of gamers if they actually tried playing the games rather than immediately deciding that they're not for them...

Sony have dozen of Studios, still in several of their games on a lot of different genres you can see a cohesive direction, cinematic approach, that they look after even on several of theirs exclusivity deals.

And you are joking about Zelda being such a great story based game right? And here I was thinking it was an exploration game that you were to feel like you are link and are making your own story.

Biggerboat1 said:

How am I biased when I've openly stated that I'm sure I'd like some of Sony or MS's properties if owned their systems...?

I listen to quite a few gaming podcasts - Giant Beast Cast, IGN UK, Game Scoop, DLC, The Besties - most of the journalists involved have been in gaming for a long time and all are obviously passionate about the industry. Do you know how many of them have an aversion to Nintendo games in general? None.

Some of them are into some Nintendo properties more than others but that's natural & the only objective, unbiased view in my opinion.

That's because they just love gaming and are past the adolescent phase of supporting a games corporation like you do a football team...

There is no unbiased OPINION, opinions are all personal and biased by standard. At most you can try to portray an unbiased ANALYSIS based on DATA.

Keep judging man, you are totally getting to the point.

Still waiting for you to show how many (if any) genre, Nintendo have a hallmark game that is outsold inside their platform by a multiplat. Because even though Halo have been considered the best FPS in several outings CoD is close by in sales on Xbox, even Gran Turismo hold several times more sales than the other racers on PS1 to 3 and will probably do the same on PS4, but most of the MS and Sony 1st party have another 3rd party game that outsell them inside their own platform because guess what there are dozen of other great studios so one or another will be better than they at some genre or another.

So unless you can prove Nintendo games are the best in ALL GENRES if you can't show they being outsold by multiplats it clearly show the positive Bias for Nintendo that I have no idea you are trying to deny exist.

For a start, I'm not talking about Sony, I'm talking about Nintendo, so making points about Sony's studios 'cohesive' approach is irrelevant - though I struggle to find a common thread between, say, Gran Turismo, The Last of Us, The Last Guardian, Ratchet & Clank & Little Big Planet for instance - can you?

Re. Zelda, a game can be more than one thing. It's about exploration and has a story - not really seeing your point here...

All opinions are biased and mine are biased towards quality game design - others are biased by things such as a manufacturer's logo... what's your point?

You can wait for me to show you an example of a 3rd party game outselling a Nintendo game on a Nintendo system as long as you like - because it doesn't prove anything... because a 3rd party developer doesn't need to outsell Nintendo to have a successful game or to prove that their games can sell on the system...

Also, why would a 3rd party game outsell a Nintendo game when historically, the majority of them are under-funded, cheap ports flung together by their B-teams... Please actually consider what you're writing before clicking 'submit'.

The quality & resources put into PS or MS 3rd party games ≠ quality & resources put into those on Switch - far, far, far from it...

Anyway, I can see this going round in circles while you create more irrelevant hurdles for me to jump over in order to prove unrelated points.